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Re: Attrition rate!!
If anything, I suspect the emulator of being slightly less lethal than the boardgame. I've never used the emulator, but from the emulator results that Bruce Wilson has been posting, it looks like Tame Boars only make successive attacks when they get a hit (just like the original B-17:QotS game), while they should always get three attacks unless they are driven off or shot down.
Real life losses were pretty high, but I suspect both the emulator and the boardgame are bloodier than reality to make it more interesting as a game.
The 30/31 March '44 raid on Nuremberg had Bomber Command's heaviest losses, with 95 out of 795 bombers lost. That's 12%, so I think "heaviest" is an absolute measure. The daylight raids very early in the war had much higher percentage losses out of much smaller attacking forces.
Through Mission 17, we've lost 63 aircraft out of 278 sorties, for an average loss rate of 23%. Our worst mission was the first one, when we lost 8 out of 16.
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Re: Attrition rate!!
My gut feeling is that the Lancaster variant results in too many engagements with enemy aircraft per mission, but that the engagements are not as lethal as they were historically. Again, this may provide a more interesting game than otherwise. I don't know. My preference is usually for as much accuracy as possible, but that could make the game even more random and luck-dependent than it already is. From my reading on the subject, I get the impression that once a night fighter got the drop on a Lancaster, its initial attack was often lethal. But the majority of the bombers were not directly jumped by any night fighters on most missions. I have been tinkering around with some modifcations to the variant to address this. Maybe if these work out for me, I will post them here.
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My gut feeling is that the Lancaster variant results in too many engagements with enemy aircraft per mission, but that the engagements are not as lethal as they were historically. Again, this may provide a more interesting game than otherwise. I don't know. My preference is usually for as much accuracy as possible, but that could make the game even more random and luck-dependent than it already is. From my reading on the subject, I get the impression that once a night fighter got the drop on a Lancaster, its initial attack was often lethal. But the majority of the bombers were not directly jumped by any night fighters on most missions. I have been tinkering around with some modifcations to the variant to address this. Maybe if these work out for me, I will post them here.
Curt
I believe it is exactly the opposite. I flow hundreds of Lanc missions and they are either feast or famine: Either you fly the whole way to target and back without *too* much trouble, or you get completely shot to pieces. (Often in a single attack.) Contrast with the B-17, where the damage tends to come in bits and dribbles, slowly degrading the plane until the coup de grace is administered.
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Re: Attrition rate!!
Well, I guess I'll defer to your experience on that. I've only flown a few missions so far. I'm still tinkering though. It's just my nature with games.
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ericrrrm wrote:
The 30/31 March '44 raid on Nuremberg
http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/mar44.html
had Bomber Command's heaviest losses, with 95 out of 795 bombers lost. That's 12%, so I think "heaviest" is an absolute measure. The daylight raids very early in the war had much higher percentage losses out of much smaller attacking forces.
18th December 1939 - 24 Wellingtons set off from East Anglia on an "armed reconnaisance" over Schillig Roads and Wilhelmshaven. Two returned early but the remainder had a surprise waiting.
Enemy figthers used beam attacks from on high - neutralising the Wimpey's turrets.
Ten Wellingtons were shot down in flames, two more ditched on the way home, three crashed on landing or were so badly damaged they were written off.
One squadron lost 5 out of six a/c.
Thank your lucky stars we're flying Lancs not Battles!
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Saskatoon finished a tour!
Well done all concerned. Maybe 314s rep as a "hard luck outfit" is about to change.
In the mess Wainwright - D Daisy's artist in residence (and the only one of the crew to carry a tune) sits at the scarred piano and strikes up the RAFs tribute to their American colleagues on B17s
(To the tune of the Battle Hymn of the Republic)
We're flying Flying Fortresses at thirty thousand feet,
Oh!, we're flying Flying Fortresses at thirty thousand feet.
We've bags of point-five ammo, and a teeny-weeny bomb,
And we drop the bastard from so high we don't know where it's gone!
Glory, glory...
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Attrition rate!!
That’s three mission average per plane. I know the British took it on the chin over Germany, but was it this bad?
