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OK, I admit, his motives may be questionable. Mind you, I can't see it doing any harm either. He does indeed appear to be the establishment's lap-dog - yet that affords him the leverage needed to voice his opinion. Besides, he's Irish. What's not to trust?
You may remember Bono's close assiciation with the Liberal / Paul Martin support campaign. You may also remember we booted the Liberals sorry asses out of Quebec not much later, despite Quebec's Ssubstantial ( and forgotten) Irish community.
All the same; it is a safe cause. "Sorry folks, time that you realize that the moneys you are owed by XXXXXX country will never be paid back."
I kind of like the feather ruffling factor of it all though.
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Oh my god someone is listening to me!
*latches on to Istvan and refuses to let go*
This is why you never talk to crazy people, you know. Notice how we only get into these discussions when Scott's away?
*clears throat*
The harm he does is that he causes people to think the issue is way simpler than it really is. Sure, all these rich countries just giving money to poorer countries sounds like a great idea. Only problem is that it doesn't work in the long term. But people who listen to Bono think it's just as simple as forgetting about the debt, and since it seems so simple, they don't look into the larger problem.
And using the less fortunate as a method of career advancement just annoys me, and when I get annoyed, I harm people.
Ohhhhhhhhhhh don't start me on the Liberal Party thing. Go figure they don't use a CANADIAN celebrity. No, they use f***ing Bono. Because, you know, anyone from outside of Canada is immediately better. Sadly, from the general media's perspective, that's true.
I think I laughed for ten minutes at the Irish comment.
Then I thought of Bono at the Superbowl after 9/11, triumphantly running around that track at the halftime show with the stars and stripes on the inside of his jacket like the giant sell out that he is. My favourite part of that whole thing was that just when I was about to start chewing my own tongue at that, Paul McCartney, who was in the announcer booth, responded to the performance by saying "U2: good Irish boys."
It saddens me that the group that recorded Sunday, Bloody Sunday seems to have totally forgotten where they come from. Apparently the conditions for the working poor in the U.K. are absolutely horrible. But yeah, let's focus on the third world. It's fuzzier.
Bwah, I still think U2's overall best album was Zooropa. Oddly enough, I believe it was their lowest selling album. After that sucker flopped was when they started going the safe pop route and Bono suddenly became a genius.
But getting back on topic (Although there's plenty to respond to in what I said -- no saying no one can) Lulu mentioned "Sweet Child O' Mine." I just read an article in which the former members of G&R said they HATED that song when Axl first wrote it. He apparently wrote it in an afternoon or something, and Slash has only recently grown to have an affection for it.
I'm a huge fan of rock ballads though. Emo guitars? I'm so there. Bon Jovi did quite a few good rock balads too. I think it's a good progression for older bands to make, because let's face it: once you're mega rich and set for life, it's hard to be really hard core rock and roll, but if you're a good musician, you should still be able to write music.
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Though I like the idea of you latching on to me and refusing to let go, your husband would have problems with that. You should probably rethink the idea.
Bono's "cause" doesn't request rich nations bailing out hopelessly indebted ones; it has to do with the world bank cutting their losses and creditor nations following suit.
I see your point about it not aiding in the long run. It is a little like helping the homeless by giving a quarter. A whole other issue. I don't believe either scenario would help, but anything that would take a little pressure off of a downtrodden people, if even temporary, is a good idea.
World bank debt = foreclosure = blue berets seizing natural resources. ie: Gulf War I... Saddam destroys oil wells in Kuwait. Cause and effect.
Hmmm, Canadian celebrity huh? Rita McNiel perhaps? I prefer Bono. Mind you, there are too many jokes about it not being over until the fat lady sings. Too many CBC specials.
The only worthwhile U2 album was War. Never you mind 'Zooropa', 'Joshua tree' or 'straddle and cum'. Ah, you're still young.
Anyhow, all these "causes" are a scam. For the price of a cup of coffee I can turn some child in Africa into a Christian with shoes.(Sorry DC. I'm just jaded I guess.) The reality is that nobody gives a **** about anybody. Thank goodness for any kind of grass-roots "movement" that brings any small group of people together, take this newsgroup for example; in the short time we have all been together, we have had numerous exchanges - some pleasant, some otherwise, some just bewildering. All are of quality and are cherished, at least on my part.
All that senseless banter in the last paragraph was all to say, I don't not give a **** about you! Ahh! Anybody that knows me will understand that.
CC: Look into CJA. We'll talk more about that one in person. It will be heated I am sure. Looking forward to more relentless latching.
Once again, CC and I have managed to hi-jack the topic and twist it to suit our various causes. Appeals for donations to follow...
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I always think it's too easy to say a band's first popular album was their best one. That doesn't mean it's not true. I just think it's too easy.
Was that one of those bewildering comments you were talking about, Istvan?
LOL The CJA? You might be surprised. Granted, that's a Montreal-based effort. The Toronto equivalent is the UJA, but those organizations are FAR from perfect.
But yeah, that's way too heavy to get into in a music thread.
Is it rock music that has made us so anti-establishment, I wonder?
Rita MacNeil. Just saying her name is funny. Ooh, has anyone mentioned Rush yet in this thread?
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Does every thread have to get turned into a big conspiracy theory with you guys?! LOL
This all goes back to Istvan's telephone thread...and I finally got the answer to that one. After the message gets passed to CC, it comes out conspiracy. LOL. You guys are great!
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Does every thread have to get turned into a big conspiracy theory with you guys?! LOL
Yes.
*puts on tinfoil hat*
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* ... and István just mutters on to himself while leafing through his 35th copy of Catcher in the Rye *
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Should Paul McCartney be worried?
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Holy ****! LOL! Too many great refernces there!
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Should Paul McCartney be worried?
Constantly. Especially now! 
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Too many great refernces there!
Again, constantly.
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