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Voting Republican
I have not voted for a Republican presidential candidate ever. I am changing for 08. I don't care who the Republicans put up - he has got my vote.
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9/27/2005, 6:28 pm
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Re: Voting Republican
I think dedication to ideas and groups can be good, but I will add that if there is NO reason for the vote, look hard at what is going on, as it may not be what you think. To my simple mind, all politicians are suspect, period. I have been wrong before, however  .
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9/28/2005, 9:31 pm
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My republican vote is a strategic move. Whoever our next president is will have to take the blame for the mess Bush has made. We will be pulling out of Iraq after Bush leaves office and that president will take the blame for giving in to terrorists. We probably will need to reinstate a draft and that will be blamed on the new pres. With these deficits we will either have to increase taxes or go into another recession. Global warming will continue to produce more severe natural disasters. Poverty, already increasing, will continue to do so, there will be continued increases in terrorism, continued erosion of US image abroad........... All of this and more faces our next president because this president was incompetent. Conservatives will continue to try to blame all of this on Bill Clinton, but another 4 years of conservatism should make most of America pretty fed up with the results of conservatism. Come the 2012 election we will have had, since the end of the Vietnam War, 24 years of Republicans and only 12 years of Democrats. It will be difficult to undo the mess, but to bury the far right completely will be worth the sacrifice. The proof will be in the pudding.
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9/28/2005, 10:11 pm
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First let me thank you for casting a vote in the next election for the better party and for stating such interesting opinions here.
But may I point out a few things I see that could be wrong with your formulations? You seem to feel that our involvement in Iraq is wrong, yet even democrats bought into the intelligence that helped create the decision to go in, but now it's all Bush's fault? How does that work? Is it like calling Bush a racist because a lot of blacks lived in New Orleans?
Then since recent news speaks of the death of Iraq's second in command of Al Queda, then are not true terrorists there in that country? And if they were not there, or blowing themselves up over in Iraq, could they not be over here doing that to us? It seems to me, Bush has them going after the easier targets of opportunity, which is in an area where people are on more guard than they would be here. Unless you want to live in a United States police state that is. Don't forget our soldiers over there can better protect themselves than the average citizen or even policeman here can.
Global warming? If dinosaurs lived for millions of years in a fairly warm environment, then could this not be Earth's natural state, and cold is the aberration? Man simply doesn't have enough information to make the determination "global warming" is a human event, or unnatural, or wrong.
If you turn on Maury Povich, or Jerry Springer you'll probably see a bunch of people in the audience that buy into everything the great TV box puts out. Wouldn't it be better to think outside the box for a change and not buy into everything you are told by the media?
And if you change your mind and vote democrat instead, do you feel proud that every member of all the off the wall organizations in our country are right along side you casting their votes too? I'm not trying to be mean or argumentative, but I fail to understand how you reach your conclusions.
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9/28/2005, 11:42 pm
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My republican vote is a strategic move. Whoever our next president is will have to take the blame for the mess Bush has made. We will be pulling out of Iraq after Bush leaves office and that president will take the blame for giving in to terrorists. We probably will need to reinstate a draft and that will be blamed on the new pres. With these deficits we will either have to increase taxes or go into another recession. Global warming will continue to produce more severe natural disasters. Poverty, already increasing, will continue to do so, there will be continued increases in terrorism, continued erosion of US image abroad........... All of this and more faces our next president because this president was incompetent. Conservatives will continue to try to blame all of this on Bill Clinton, but another 4 years of conservatism should make most of America pretty fed up with the results of conservatism. Come the 2012 election we will have had, since the end of the Vietnam War, 24 years of Republicans and only 12 years of Democrats. It will be difficult to undo the mess, but to bury the far right completely will be worth the sacrifice. The proof will be in the pudding.
HAHAHAHA!! That is a prime example of what I was talking about, vote the party, ignore the issues. I'm sure the wheel of life will revolve, nontheless!!!!
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9/29/2005, 1:42 pm
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12349
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To Con:
Your reply is not mean or argumentative.
I do hold Democrats , who were stupid enough to buy into the pre- war rhetoric, responsible for this war along with everyone who promoted the invasion. Those people, including Kerry and Hilary (like GW) are not fit to run this country. But voting to give Bush the power to invade is different than supporting the invasion. Congress did not vote to invade Iraq, they voted to stand behind their president whose judgment they (foolishly) trusted. That said, the reality of that time was that it took a great deal of courage for anyone to vote, or stand up, against Bush. The country was swept up in a fervor of patriotism and panic. Our leaders, both Dem and Rep - led by Bush - failed us. But, the buck stops at Bush’s door. His idea - his decision - his propaganda campaign to dupe the country into the war. Conservatives always like to talk about taking responsibility for one’s actions, until they make a poor decision - then they like to point their finger and say, “Yea, but he did it, too.” This was Bush’s decision. If this war had gone as planned - and we were out in 6 or 8 weeks - who would be taking the credit?
Now we ARE fighting Al Queda in Iraq - the reason de jour for the war. But we have seen through Spain, London, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and other places that this is not containing the group. Are you suggesting that we will not be attacked here in the US because Al Queda is busy in Iraq? That, I think, would be a very foolish position. It is my opinion that this war has actually helped Al Queda to grow - and it came at a time when we had them on the run in Afghanistan. Iraq has given them new opportunity and a new life. We will be fighting them here soon enough, any ways - plan on that. Also, don’t forget that Al Queda is only a PART of the resistance there. Present suggestions seem to indicate the larger part of the problem are Sunnis. But, who is responsible for the insurgency seems to switch depending on what point needs to be made.
Are you suggesting that luring Al Queda into Iraq was part of the pre war strategy?
I agree with you that there is not proof that global warming is a man made event. I, however, am not willing to take the chance that it is not. If I am wrong about global warming we lose nothing but some money. If you are wrong, we lose mucho more money and many, many lives.
Believe everything I hear from the media? It was the media who told me Hussein was a threat to us and that he had to be stopped. Rush Limbaugh is part of the media and he even suggested we found the evidence we needed that Iraq was involved with a nuclear program.
Are you proud of everyone who votes Republican? Do you think KKK members voted for Kerry? Did Pat Robertson, who suggested we kill Chavez, vote for Kerry. I would guess the Aryan Nation did not vote for John Kerry, either. Let’s not forget the biggest, far out there, whacko druggy of them all - Rush Limbaugh - he is one of yours.
I know my tone is a little aggressive. I do respect your opinions, but I think you are ignoring the proverbial elephant in the middle of the room. Things are a mess right now and it ain’t Bill Clinton’s fault and it ain’t liberals' fault. You guys have had congress since 1996 and the presidency since 2000. Even though the Senate was 50/50 1st term - Bush pretty much, as a very popular president, had carte blanche. I, like you, want to defeat terrorism, but the conservative approach is not working.
To Lurch: I miss your point.
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9/29/2005, 5:41 pm
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Hey "Numbers", I enjoyed reading your reply!
When Bush said we were in it for the "long haul" and that this was going to be a fight for a long time, I believed him. It didn't take much to figure that the war with terrorism would last perhaps a hundred years or more, or that it might be ongoing forever using the tactics of war this country uses. There is no alternative. Truly there isn't.
I for one can't understand letting Muslims loose in this country. But then I see no wrong in the historical internment of the Japanese during WWII. Today we will risk the lives of millions just so we don't offend an individual. I always thought it was the job of the government to try and protect its citizens, but now its role seems to be nothing but political correctness and poll watching. In the end I see us falling to the sword as Allah the merciful would wish upon us.
Yes, I am suggesting Al Queda has been directed by our decisions to fight us in Iraq and that was very early admitted. If the martyrs were not blowing themselves up there, where do you think they would be going to reach paradise? I also fully expect them to attack us here, which is why it is dangerous for us to allow this religion into our country. There ARE good Muslims, and then there are the children of good Muslims too.
Ok, global warming. Do you suggest we stop burning fossil fuels to remove the threat? How will we eat, work, or clothe ourselves? Do you think China would be willing to do the same driving up their costs, or would they instead be satisfied with ruling the world economically while we sacrifice ourselves?
I doubt if the KKK vote really mattered much at probably a hundred votes or so, but all the democratic "wackos" added together is probably about half of the total demo vote each election. I always find it hard to support a party that believes murdering children is a mothers "right".
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Believe everything I hear from the media? It was the media who told me Hussein was a threat to us and that he had to be stopped. Rush Limbaugh is part of the media and he even suggested we found the evidence we needed that Iraq was involved with a nuclear program.
QUOTE from page 8 of "A Decade of Deception and Defiance":"In 2001, an Iraqi defector, Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri, said he had visited twenty secret facilities for chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. Mr. Saeed, a civil engineer, supported his claims with stacks of Iraqi government contracts, complete with technical specifications. Mr. Saeed said Iraq used companies to purchase equipment with the blessing of the United Nations – and then secretly used the equipment for their weapons programs.1"
That paper was a much better source than what the media was putting out on Saddam being a real threat.
I like your tone, and if it is aggressive then good for you. To feel passionate about something shows you care, which most Americans can't even be bothered to vote. Please feel free to speak your mind here.
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9/29/2005, 9:51 pm
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Bush and the long haul: When he made that declaration after 9/11 it was was widely accepted by most of the world as it was true. Iraq, however, was not the correct target. It would be asw if Roosevelt had invanded Indonesia after Pearl Harbor. Additionally, we were sold an Iraq war that would be over in 6 weeks and cost around 50 bil., and serve as an example for the region That was this administration's analysis and they (thus Bush) are soley responsible for this wildly wrong assesment.
The quote: You still convinced there are WMDs hidden somewhere? I think it is pretty obvious that the defectors lied to support their agenda - that much has been admitted by at least one of them.
I think we did Al Queda a big favor by invading Iraq. Rather than being able to take the fight to them in other parts of the world where they will pop up, they have us pinned down. Our resources are now concentrated inhibiting our flexibility.
Further, the war has split what was once a very solid and formidable world wide alliance. After 9/11 Bush had the opportunity to really bring the country and the world together to fight this menace. He refused to design a strategy that encompassed all our allies as equals. Good thing roosevelt was able to work with others.
I am not a proud Democrat. I do think the vast majority of the party is made up of reasonable people. Are you proud of David Duke who is a Republican. The Council of Conservative Citizens is a white supremacist group that Trent Lott has made 5 speeches to. Sounds like Republicans to me. Are you proud of that? I do not think that most Republicans are racists - I bring this up to counter the criticism aimed at Dems for having Whacko groups. Both parties have plenty of Whacko groups on the thier fringes. You are niave to think that your party is immune from this.
Global Warming: Of course, at this time, we have to use fossil fuel. I do think, however, fossil fuels may very well be our demise in the not too distant future. We need to have a "Manhatten Project" to come up with alternatives. We need to all drive cars that get 50 mph (mine gets 35). We need to build more nuclear power plants (potential danger, but better than present alternative). Open up Yucca Mtn.
Re Muslims: Problem, no doubt. I like Blair's approach to get rid of those who preach hate. Muslim extremism is indeed our enemy and it makes no sense to allow the enemy to live in your country.
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Although I'm a Christian and I only support people for office that I think are in-line with most of my views on topics....the truth is that I would not vote for Bush again...
He Blundered in Iraq.....
At one time I believed he was the right guy in the right place at the right time.....but things change....people can do their best and yet fail.....Bush failed us...
I think us Christians need to look at Bush the way a coach looks at his star player on his team...You want him to do go, you want him to win the game, you want his actions to always be top-notch,,,,However when you see that he is not haveing his best day, you got to yank him out of the game for the best of the rest of the team...
I think it's time we started to hear some strong Christian voices speaking out AGAINST Bush....time to set the record correctly as to what we think of this Blunder in Iraq....
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10/1/2005, 10:41 am
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Numbers, would it have been wrong for Roosevelt to invade Indonesia if Indonesia could have supplied Japan with more sophisticated weapons than they possessed at the time, and most all the people of that country aligned themselves with the emperor of Japan which was a religious figure to the population? I think he would have been right, as I think Bush was right too in this affair.
I do think Bush or his administration failed in their understanding of what to do after he, and we, won the true war in 6 weeks, which he did toppling Saddam’s regime. Did anyone figure that outsiders would invade the country and start the resistance? I don’t think so. I wonder if things would have been different if we had captured Saddam right after we won? Perhaps that could have changed the whole outcome.
I myself naively believed there would be NO occupation and even argued with people about this point. The main reason we stayed I believe was to try and prevent a civil war. That might be an impossibility in light of what is transpiring now.
Where was this “very solid and formidable world wide alliance” that you mentioned. I never saw that. I remember an entire world that pretty much hated us, including the French. I remember hearing for years about Americans going to France and getting spit upon. If anything it clarified who WERE our REAL friends abroad. Maybe you could enlighten me who you meant?
Ok, you actually believe that over half of your party is “made up of reasonable people”. Is that why democrats always cater to the fringe groups? Is that why democrats always go out of their way to get the votes from these groups? You don’t see Republicans or Conservatives trying to get the KKK vote or the other wackos that might just happen to vote in line with them, yet your party sure does. And your party supports the murder of unborn children, so let’s not forget the stupid female vote, and the :censored: who don’t want the responsibility for their actions. Maybe that is the key to your party, garner all the votes of people who don’t want to be responsible for their own actions.
And Nuclear? Yeah, let’s put up more power plants that emit radioactive isotopes that will remain dangerous and a threat to all life on our planet for 28,000 years. That would surely be the safer move. Of course we won’t mention “accidents” and their threat or the threat of terrorism to nuclear facilities. Or we could move from the coast and figure it’s Earth’s natural state coming off a recent Ice Age. Man was around before that event and will remain after.
By the way, I DO NOT support the KKK, but I do remember hearing David Duke speak years ago and the man made some fairly good sense on the topics he was talking about. I guess the voters in his state saw some of that too. Wouldn’t it be an odd concept if somewhere down the road it was proven there were actual differences between people and we are not all equal, even races, and yet we were still able to get along with one another?
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