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Women Pastors
We have several churchs in our area that have women pastors and I am just looking for opinions. What do ya'll think about that? I spoke to a Baptist Pastor last night, he is my wifes cousin, and he has been in the ministry all of his life. He is 40 yrs old. He doesn't have a problem with women pastors. He seems to believe that when the Bible speaks of women not teaching men in 1 Timothy 2:12 that is was cultural in that time and it shouldn't apply today. What do ya'll think? 
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Re: Women Pastors
I'll stick with what it says about qualifications of a bishop/pastor in 1 Tim 3 , the same apply's to deacons also. 1 Tim 2 may have been cultural, but chapter 3 is pretty plain to me.
1 Timothy 3
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
I dont have any problem with women teachers/youth leaders, etc. just when they say they are an ordained minister. Our pastors wife will sometimes have the service on special occasions like mothers day, etc, but she will be the first to say she isn't ordained minister.
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Well, Phoebe was a deaconess of the church at Cenchrea, (as in my NKJV study bible), and I like to watch Joyce Meyer preach..but, I have to go along with what the Bible says. God's word stands for today, yesterday and tomorrow.
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So i dont hijack this topic, i have placed some info on JM in "Answers for Seekers" section. Thanks
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5/26/2007, 7:29 am
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It was a cultural issue back then, an issue of woman's place, which is under man. God placed woman, not man. Men of God understood this and lived by it, hence; it became what we call "cultural" but in fact it is a place God set woman. People of God "lived" for God and followed His instructions.
These instructions are for keeping order in the church, order within the body of Christ. An example to a lost, corrupt and dieing world.
My personal opinion, is that women are out of order. Our churches are out of order. We pick and choose what's applicable for "our" culture and implement that as biblical.
What we are really doing is inviting God to live according to our culture, our ways. We should be living for him through His instructions in keeping order, setting an example to a lost, corrupt and dieing world.
When women who claim to be Christian step out of order, (taking authority over man) she is proving her attachment to the world and a rebellious spirit, living contrary to the gospel, is wrecking a testimony of the true gospel-the way-the church-the body of Christ.... that Paul and the likes suffered greatly to build and defend.
It is no wonder society, most especially our Christian society, is corrupt. Not only does the Christian society live beyond the limits God has set.... man preaches and endorses his weakness to woman, betraying his strength in God to overcome this hold woman has over man. She has dominated him in almost every way. The God of this world I'm sure is very pleased with this deceptive work of art.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Think about it;... Satan knew one thing for sure, the weakest creature on earth was woman.
Before Eve ate the apple, there was order in the garden of Eden. Absolutely everything was in it's place. Telling me woman was the weakest on the earth, so the evil one captured her weakness and sin was born.
Why was she the weakest? She was not made in the likeness-image of God, she was made "for" man. Not in spite of man, "for man", Man.....who was made in the image of God.
I could be stoned for this in the eyes of the world, hehehe.
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1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection (being dominated).
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
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2Co 10:15 So we do not boast about the work that others have done beyond the limits God set for us. Instead, we hope that your faith may grow and that we may be able to do a much greater work among you, always within the limits that God has set.
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5/26/2007, 7:45 am
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Hopefully this won’t make some of you mad at me but I think there is probably good reason why the passage in 1Timothy specifically excludes women from teaching or authority.
Genesis 3:16 – To the woman he said, “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
My pastor once told me (and I also heard a Christian marriage counselor say the same) that a woman’s “desire for her husband” as indicated in the above scripture is not a desire to be attached to him, but rather a desire to submit her will over him.
But man has oppressed woman for centuries, and now there has been a backlash. The women’s liberation movement did much to advance the rights of women, but it also demand that woman have an equal role with men. But men and women are not equal, we are not the same. God made us very differently with different purposes. I believe this is why many women are so dissatisfied with their professional lives. They strive to be a dominate force in the work place (the best hunter) but they were not made for that, and it leaves them unsatisfied.
Ephesians 5:22-24 – Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Part of the problem is that “submission” is viewed as a bad thing, and it is not. Was the early church lead as a democracy? Did everyone one have a vote? No! As men we must lead our family as Christ led the church.
How can your wife submit to you in everything, if she is the spiritual leader of your church? Doesn’t that make her the spiritual leader of you?
Ephesians 5:25-26 – Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word.
But this is a two-way street. I don’t believe that any woman would be dissatisfied being submissive to her husband if her husband truly loved her as Christ commanded. The husband would set the security and happiness of his wife and family above everything (even his own life). This does not mean that a husband does not listen to his wife’s advice or recommendation. How can any husband make the best possible decision without knowing what his wife desires? A man of God will love and cherish his wife, his decisions would be for the benefit of her and her family, and she would be secure in the knowledge that he was doing the best for them all.
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Re: Women Pastors
From what I noticed you seem to be talking about pastors. Are you including youth group leaders, and/or evangelists in that?
it doesn't sound like it, but I just thought I would ask
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That is a good question, Skyys. 
My personal feelings on that are this: I don't see a problem with women being in those type of "leadership" positions, as long as they are not taking an "authoratative" role above the church. Take Beth Moore for example. This is a very intelligent woman who has much to offer those who go to her seminars and do her bible studies. I personally enjoy them very much. However, they are geared towards women and she does not claim authority over anyone or any group. She is simply sharing her knowledge of the Word as well as her life experiences. It is easy for women to relate to her.
As for youth leaders, I do not think it would be a good idea for a man to lead a young girls bible study or youth group. A woman needs to be in that role; however, that does not make her the authority over the church. She is simply sharing her wisdom and knowledge with those girls in order to steer them closer to God.
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Hi Free,
The term "pastor" only occurs in the Bible nine times and in all cases when the term is used in a ecclesiastical sense (6 times) the term refers to a man. When not used in that sense then the term may apply to civil magistrates, teachers, princes or other rulers.
This is true in both the Old Testament and in the New Testament, from the cultures of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Ethiopia, Israel, and Rome so with all due respect to your pastor friend I must disagree with such a blanket dismissal of what the Bible clearly says.
The office of a Pastor is reserved for man alone and if a group wants to be true to the word of God then that title must stay with a man.
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