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How Old is the Earth?
This was an interesting link that I came across recently. I hadn’t really thought much about the age of the earth before, but this LINK has some good points for a young earth.
quoting How Old is the Earth? Natural Chronometers
"How old is the Earth?" This question is once again sparking a heated debate. With discoveries such as the following Natural Chronometers, we are at the forefront of a Young Earth revolution:
• Our oceans contain concentrations of Aluminum, Antinomy, Barium, Bicarbonate, Bismuth, Calcium, Carbonates, Chlorine, Chromium, Cobalt, Copper, Gold, Iron, Lead, Lithium, Manganese, Magnesium, Mercury, Molybdenum, Nickel, Potassium, Rubidium, Silicon, Silver, Sodium, Strontium, Sulfate, Thorium, Tin, Titanium, Tungsten, Uranium, and Zinc. The river systems add to these concentrations at fixed apparent rates. Comparing the amounts already in the oceans with the rates at which more are being dumped, indicates the earth, as well as its river systems and oceans, are fairly young.
• Sediments are being eroded into our oceans at a fixed rate. There are only a few thousand years worth of sediments on the ocean floor.
• The Earth's magnetic field has been accurately measured since 1829. Since 1829, it has decayed 7%. It is decaying exponentially at a fixed rate. By graphing the curve, we see that approximately 22,000 years ago the Earth's field would have been as strong as the Sun's. Life would have been impossible.
• Comets are constantly losing matter. They are losing and losing and never gaining. "Short Period Comets" (like Haley's comet), which have predictable orbits, should deteriorate to nothing within 10,000 years. Why are there still Short Period Comets?
• Jupiter is losing heat twice as fast as it gains it from the Sun (it is five times further from the Sun than Earth). Yet Jupiter is still hot. If it is billions of years old, shouldn't it have cooled off by now?
• Jupiter's moon, Ganymede, which is roughly the size of Mercury, has a strong magnetic field, a possible indication that it is still hot. Why hasn't it cooled down?
• Saturn's rings are not stable. They are drifting away from Saturn. If Saturn is billions of years old, why does it still have rings?
• The Moon is slowly drifting away from the Earth. If it is getting further, at one time it was much closer. The Inverse Square Law dictates that if the Moon were half the distance from the Earth, its gravitational pull on our tides would be quadrupled. 1/3 the distance, 9 times the pull. Everything would drown twice a day. Approximately 1.2 billion years ago, the Moon would have been touching the Earth. Drowning would be the least of our concerns!
• Earth's rotation is slowing down. We experience a leap second every year and a half. If the Earth is slowing down, at one time it was going much faster. Besides the problem of extremely short days and nights, the increased "Coriolis Effect" would cause impossible living conditions.
• In 1999, the human population passed six billion. In 1985, it passed five billion. In 1962, it passed three billion. In 1800, it passed one billion. In 1 AD, the world's population, according to the censuses taken by the governments of that time, was only 250 million. At the current human population growth rate, considering wars and famines and all such variables, it would take approximately 5,000 years to get the current population from two original people.
Interesting stuff to consider.
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Re: How Old is the Earth?
Very interesting. Although I expect some of it could be explained away for either arguement.
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Re: How Old is the Earth?
The information you are quoting is pretty good however the source is from the "young earth" camp and of course they will use information which they feel supports their argument.
Now if you look at the "old earth" camp you will see many little bits of information they feel supports their argument.
The only thing I (or anyone) can know with certainty is what we can directly measure so by this I can say the minimum age for the universe is about 22.5 million years because:
1. we know God created the heavens and the earth.
2. every measuring tool we know about indicates the universe started from a single point and is expanding from that point.
3. the most distant galaxy we have measured directly is between 22.5 and 24.5 million light years away from us.
So how old is the earth? If you use uniform accumulation then you get a age between 3.2 and 4.6 billion years. If you use catastrophic mass collisions you could have a age of less than 10,000 years.
I'll let you answer the following question asked by a young science student: "How do you know which method was the most predominate in the formation of the earth?"
For myself, the most important thing is that God is the one who created. The when isn't that important to me ...
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quoting For myself, the most important thing is that God is the one who created. The when isn't that important to me ...
Yep, me too!
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We can only measure time by what we know time is.
A thousand years could be a day and a day could be a thousand years to God. So... take the first day God made and let's say that's a thousand years and so on.
Take all of the years of time that man is able to calculate and X it by 1,000. Wonder how long that is?
This earth could very well be more than a trillion years old, ten trillion, a hundred trillion. We always seem to forget that mans wisdom is ridiculous in comparison to the all knowing God..... who gave man just enough wisdom to realize how much he needs the inventor, master of mathematics. Because... without God, we just don't measure up.
Trying to figure out how old earth is, is like trying to figure out how many years are in eternity. Pretty much pointless.
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Did I mention math is my worse subject? Hehehehe.....
Praise God! And I agree, it doesn't matter how old earth is but who is in charge of how it ends.
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However, in Genesis it says, "it was evening and morning - the first day" - etc. So, although it's really not all that important how old the earth is, I hold to a literal 6 day creation and most likely a young earth.
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Re: How Old is the Earth?
quoting Order ofMelchizedek ...
However, in Genesis it says, "it was evening and morning - the first day" - etc. So, although it's really not all that important how old the earth is, I hold to a literal 6 day creation and most likely a young earth.
But even the whole "evening and a day" could just be God dumbing it down for us. Try explaining football to a 5 year old. Difficult to do without using the words: touchdown, goal, interception, passing, etc. Words most 5 year olds don't understand. Since God is infinately more intelligent than us, I can imagine explaining the formation of the Heavens and earth to us was probably much more difficult (imagine trying to explain to an ant how a microwave oven works).
So like Pastor Rick, I'm gonna stick with the "It's not that important to me" defense.
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I think God had to "dumb down" a LOT for us lowly humans...we're not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer...
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OK, on the evening and morning you can argue for a literal day but not for a 24 hour day. Why? because the earths rotation is slowing down. Today the earth takes 24 hours (plus a few milliseconds) to rotate once. In the time of Jesus it only took 23.999 hours for a rotation. so the question is what was the rotation of the earth at the time God created it? No one knows .
How about in Genesis two where God declares:
Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Here God says the generations when describing the day when he created the heavens and the earth. How long is a generation? For man God has declared a generation to be 100 years at first, then later it was 40 years and even later it was 35 years. Again, we don't know what a generation is when relating to the heavens and earth so we don't know how long ago God did these things.
It is interesting though to discover our sun is a fourth generation star according to science so if this is true I find it fascinating to see this passage where it could be saying that God did the very thing science says happened
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