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Celestial Beings
2 Peter 2:11
Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings; yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
Jude 1:8
In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings.
 So, who are these "celestial beings"?
Also called "dignitaries" or "angelic majesties" depending on what version you use.
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LOL...well if you read the KJV...you'd know 2 Peter 2:11 is referring to are angels.
Gill's notes also say that Jude 1:8 is referring to angels...
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Re: Celestial Beings
Hey SDL!
I thought the KJV called them "dignitaries" or something. I'll have to check again.
What makes me curious, is that 2 Peter says that "even the angels ... do not bring slanderous accusations against them."
Even the angels don't slander the angels? Why the different word? Fallen angels, maybe? Human rulers on earth? Or possibly aliens from outer space? Ok, probably not.
I'll have to find more info on it.
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Even the angels don't slander the angels? Why the different word? Fallen angels, maybe?
That's what I was thinking as well, but the who "Clelestial Beings" name doesn't seem to jive with that. Isn't celestial synonymous with heavenly?
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This is long, but it's Gill take on 2 Peter 2:11
2Pe 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
2Pe 2:11 - Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might,.... Which is not to be understood of evil angels, or devils; for, besides that they are greatly weakened and impaired by their fall, they are the accusers of men, and railers and slanderers of the best and greatest of men, and the origin of all the blasphemies that are vented against God or men; but of good angels, who excel in strength, who are not only guardians to particular men, and encamp about the saints, but preside over provinces and kingdoms, for which their power and might do abundantly qualify them; and in which they are greater, that is, not than the devils, or than the false teachers, though both are true, but than dominions and dignities, than kings, princes, and civil magistrates: and yet these
bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord; either "against themselves", as the Arabic version and one of Beza's copies read; against one another, against those of their own species, that are in a higher or lower class or office than themselves; and therefore men ought not to despise magistracy, or the higher powers that are over them: or else against the fallen angels, the devils, as should seem from Jud_1:9, or rather against civil magistrates, kings, and princes of this world, who, though so much below them, they vouchsafe to take under their care, and protect them, even Heathen princes, Dan_10:20; and though there may be oftentimes many things unbecoming in them, yet they do not accuse them, or rail against them before the Lord; and even when, by his orders, they inflict punishment on their persons, as on Sennacherib, and Herod, and others, yet they do not speak evil of their office; and therefore, since angels, who are so much above men, even above the most dignified among them, behave in this manner, it must be an aggravation of the sin of these persons, who are so much below them, to speak evil of them.
Didn't really help me understand it either....
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SoDoneLurking ...
Didn't really help me understand it either....
Wow, no kidding.
Seems like this happens to me quite a bit. Someone elses explanation leaves me more confused then the original passage did.
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I don't know. It seems to say that whether they are civil leaders (which we are to obey because God had put them in their place of power) or whether angels, principalities or spiritual forces, that it is God's place to hold them accountable, not ours. We should not speak slanderously of that which we don't understand, whatever the definition of "celestial beings."
And there is so much that we don't understand.....
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And there is so much that we don't understand.....
You can say that again.
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So....God thinks that George W. Bush is equivalent to an angel??
We aren't supposed to speak evil of leaders of our or other people's country because God will take care of them?
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SoDoneLurking ...
So....God thinks that George W. Bush is equivalent to an angel??
We aren't supposed to speak evil of leaders of our or other people's country because God will take care of them?
That's not exactly what I said. I had this verse in mind. (KJV, just for you SDL)
Hebrews 13:17 KJV
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
So....God thinks that you should obey George W. Bush as the leader of the country, so far as it doesn't contradict Scripture.
And this seems to go along with your Gill quote, where it was talking about "civil magistrates, kings, and princes of this world", even "heathen princes" and goes on to give examples of human rulers. quoting
as on Sennacherib, and Herod, and others, yet they do not speak evil of their office
Or at least that was how I was understanding it.
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