Moriah Cosmos
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Forgiveness
I find myself amazed at how many people are really confused about what forgiveness is and what it means. Many people think that if they are forgiven they no longer have to suffer the consequences of their actions. Well, in one sense that is true, such as, a debt of money could be forgiven and therefore it is no longer owed. But in the case of hurting someone's feelings or breaking their trust it is very different indeed. Once trust is broken it is possible for the action to be forgiven, but it is very hard for that trust to be gained again. You can be forgiven of killing someone but that someone will never be able to live again.
I have recently been told that I should forgive my soon to be ex-husband for the actions he did. I did forgive him. I know that he is human, has faults and can never be perfect. But the fact that I did not go back into that situation, I was told that I was turning my back on God and being unforgiving. I did neither. I am still faithful to God, I attend services, pray, and try to do my best as the flawed human that I am. I did forgive him, but I do not wish to live in a situation without trust or love and I have the right to make that decision. I truely believe it was the best thing for me and my son.
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4/29/2008, 11:36 am
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Re: Forgiveness
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DanTheMan1970 ...
Your walk with God is BETWEEN YOU AND GOD ONLY. No one else!
Agreed!
And I certainly think there is a huge difference between forgiving someone who has hurt you, and letting them back into your confidence. If you forgive them, you are free from hate. That doesn't mean you have to let that person step on you again, ever. Too many people seem to think that forgiveness equals trust.
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Moriah Cosmos
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Re: Forgiveness
I know that was told that to take the heat off of the guilty party. I agree with that but religion is bigger than me and God. I need to be a good example to others in order to bring them to Christ. And we are to watch out for one another as brothers and sisters in Christ just as we would for our worldly families. Saying that it is only between me and God makes it so that anyone can do anything they want to and justify it because it is between "me and God."
Just my view anyway.
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4/29/2008, 1:17 pm
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Re: Forgiveness
Well, there is some stuff to be said about righteous judgment. "Judge not" is the Scripture so often twisted out of context so people can continue in their sin. However, with what little I know about this situation, it really doesn't seem to be the case here.
I agree whole heartedly with Moriah, that forgiveness does not mean that you have to be a door mat and it doesn't mean that you have to stay in a relationship. Forgiveness doesn't even mean that you have to remain friends.
You can forgive someone, and then continue your life without them being a part of it.
Some details that I am not currently aware of might change my opinion, but at this point, I take Moriah at her word and believe her when she says she's forgiven him.
And Dan, I believe you're right also, although I don't know as much of this as you do, but this kind of judgment rather than support is what gives true Christians a bad name.
I don't know if this person - this "idiot" - is a true Christian who's mistaken, or a false convert, or an outright deceiver, but I believe that they're completely out of line to say that someone is turning their back on God, without a whole lot more evidence than this one instance.
We'll be praying for you, Moriah, and remember that the Book of 1 John was written so that you may know that you have salvation. If you need any reassurance, go back and read it, as it is a series of tests to know where you stand.
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Saying that it is only between me and God makes it so that anyone can do anything they want to and justify it because it is between "me and God."
Just my view anyway.
Wow, that is not how I took that at all. I thought Dan meant that he trusted you did forgive, because you said so. And that he wasn't questioning you. And unless there is serious reason to think that you are not being earnest, I don't think anyone should question you. God knows the truth, and that is between you an Him.
At least that is how I took it.
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4/29/2008, 8:01 pm
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Re: Forgiveness
wow what a great discussion.
My personal relationship with God is between me and Him. Thank goodness it is, I mean who knows me better than Him.
I am just glad that the people I care about most in this world have been supportive and helpful to me. And I pray that the process that this has to go through will be smooth and without too much drama.
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4/30/2008, 7:12 am
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I thought this was a good passage about forgiveness
Luke 15:11-32 (New American Standard Bible)
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Prodigal Son
11And He said, "A man had two sons.
12"The younger of them said to his father, 'Father, give me the share of the estate that falls to me ' So he divided his wealth between them.
13"And not many days later, the younger son gathered everything together and went on a journey into a distant country, and there he squandered his estate with loose living.
14"Now when he had spent everything, a severe famine occurred in that country, and he began to be impoverished.
15"So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
16"And he would have gladly filled his stomach with the pods that the swine were eating, and no one was giving anything to him.
17"But when he came to his senses, he said, 'How many of my father's hired men have more than enough bread, but I am dying here with hunger!
18'I will get up and go to my father, and will say to him, "Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight;
19I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me as one of your hired men."'
20"So he got up and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion for him, and ran and (C)embraced him and kissed him.
21"And the son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.'
22"But the father said to his slaves, 'Quickly bring out (D)the best robe and put it on him, and (E)put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet;
23and bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let us eat and celebrate;
24for this son of mine was (F)dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.' And they began to celebrate.
25"Now his older son was in the field, and when he came and approached the house, he heard music and dancing.
26"And he summoned one of the servants and began inquiring what these things could be.
27"And he said to him, 'Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has received him back safe and sound.'
28"But he became angry and was not willing to go in; and his father came out and began pleading with him.
29"But he answered and said to his father, 'Look! For so many years I have been serving you and I have never neglected a command of yours; and yet you have never given me a young goat, so that I might celebrate with my friends;
30but when this son of yours came, who has devoured your (G)wealth with prostitutes, you killed the fattened calf for him.'
31"And he said to him, 'Son, you have always been with me, and all that is mine is yours.
32'But we had to celebrate and rejoice, for this brother of yours was (H)dead and has begun to live, and was lost and has been found.'"
I'll get off my soap box now and you thought I never looked at a bible
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