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iam more into mod but have noticed everytime
i type in skinhead most of time the sites are mainly about the gay skinhead.iam not homophobic but wonder how the scene started.
garry bushell send me an e-mail saying"that he had heard from some skinhead girls that there where a few queer skins in the west end,back in 1980 but where not part of the oi scene.
what do you make of it(maybe oxo can clear it for me)

cheers
chris(straight mod type soul thing)
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eeerrrrhhhh.....I can clear it for you? emoticon
As far as I know the original and revival skins (68-71 and 77-80) were certainly not a gay thing, although some may have been gay (such as when Nicky Crane came out)and Garry might be right with the story about up West.In the early to mid 1980's, it seemed that a section of the gay community adopted the skinhead look, how and why I've got no idea. Its obviously stuck and thats no doubt why youre getting the gay skin sites.....

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cheers for that oxo,what i mean about the west end,was where they just bald punks or just queers with shaven heads.even in 1984 i was told that the queers had not hijacked the skinhead look.
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No idea.......

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oxo where you in the middle of it when the skins used to fight the mods in 1980/81/82,when you where in the 4-skins,
and was it the same mobs who turned in the
casuals who fought the mods.
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Thats a bit simplistic......Everyones experience was different...I'm sorry to bore everyone with another essay but....(its been on a post before but I cant remember which one!)

In London, by 76/77 there were only a few skins left, people like Terry Madden from Camden and Binnsy from Arsenal. I was a punk in 76 and in late 77, I bumped into a bloke in full skin regalia, sta-prest, Ben Sherman, Crombie and Loafers! A bit of a shock to the system, the last proper skins I remembered , at the age of 10-11 being my Uncles and cousins - 69/70 smart. I was already into the Jam (remember 'Jam' shoes down Shelleys?) from the Red Cow through to supporting the Clash at the Rainbow. The fights down the Kings Road were Punk vs Ted (with similar small scale fights all over like those at Liverpool Street and Petticoat and the second wave skins hated Teds,) have a look on the cover of Clash City Rockers (I'm there with someones ear across my face...suppose it stopped the camera from breaking).

The decison was simple, move away from something I'd enjoyed to being different and sharper. At first being a skin was class, everyone who got into it went looking for the right gear, visiting every old tailor and army surplus etc hoping to get Ben Shermans (in the 'wooden' boxes') Sta-Prest. To my and my mates in Hoxton, we preferred loafers and brogues rather than boots, look smarter and just as hard. Hair was a No.2 with the classic razor parting. I raided my uncles old rooms for records and original Shermans....Tighten Up Volume 2....and Tamla and Stax.

At first, and this was the same as the 78/79 Mod Revival, it didnt matter where you were from, but you were a skin.We met the Archway Skins (Suggs and Toks), Becontree (Nelson, Baisden, Lawrence), Croydon (!) Kilburn (Joel McBride),Harlow (Hitch****) Mile End, Bow and Canning Town ('H', Hodges). Away from the grounds, football and poliitcs didnt matter. We'd meet down Brick Lane on Sundays and then off for a beer. But the politics started to move in and, as the first lot of revival skins were a fairly hard bunch, more and more of the plastic skins started arriving to latch onto it. Shave your head? Tattoo..on your neck and face? Big Boots and Flying jackets? At football skins started to make a big return...

Some of us started growing our hair and thought of ourselves as suedeheads (me and 1 other!), others were already into the emerging mod scene. I remember when we coached up north to see the Jam at Saddleworth and Secret Affair at Huddersfield, the culture shock between us and the Northern Scooter Clubs with their flares, parkas and beer cloths sewn on the back of parkas to dry their seats. the London look was eptomised by the Glory Boys (the Glory Boys Album Liner)who followed both Secret Affair and the Jam (Grant and Meakins on TOTP in their red jackets for Eton Rifles)...and later the Rejects. In 78 and 79 seemed to pick up again with new bands and the same 'community' atmosphere'....What was funny was that the glue skins now seemed to think anyone in a suit was a mod and ready for a battering, something they found out wasnt true (the Rejects at the Electric Ballroom, first digging me for a mohair suit ending with them getting a battering from the Rejects and later that night, when feeling brave and thinking we'd all left, they started playing football with a young kid around the floor in a parka, which led to the Rejects clearing the place out). They were hard times, there were rows at most gigs... not just skin vs mod, you could take your choice!

It sounds elitist, but as it became more popular, then it started to go downhill for many of us. As mohicans and begging did for punk (no one was a mohican in 76/77), the glue sniffers and idiots did for skin, for mod it seemed that Poison Ivy etc and mail order (just wear a parka, be a mod) started to do it for mod....sounds snobby I know!

The last big event I can recall was the August Bank Holiday at Southend in 1979, where skins, mods, suedeheads, punks, teds etc all seemed to fight with each other (See Garry Bushells original Sounds article and Kims article in Maximum Speed). The mob I was with were based around West Ham and were after the Teds and Skins (they looked a disgrace to us...read the fanzine Hard as Nails for some excellent piss takes as Harry and his Skinhead girl (typical glue sniffing idiots)get transported back in time to 69....as a mob of 69 sharp skins are transported to 79). That night we went to the Paddocks on Canvey Island to watch Secret Affair.

We had gravitated to a more of a football orientated scene, based on West Ham. We were all what you might call traditional skinheads, suedeheads and mods/glory boys and the ethos was being sharp (and being able to depend on each other in a tight corner) not like the way the skin scene around us was turning (It was this I think that started this type of group towards eventually being casual, about the clothes and confidence). To outsiders we might even have seemed an arrogant firm....in late '79 to 1981 we were basically an East End firm around the Rejects and formed the 4Skins (and as I said included proper skins, mods, suedes and early casuals).

As the 80's arrived many of the old skin and mod firms, especially from East London moved into the football casual scene...what you class as casuals, were the soulboys we fought when we were skins/mods and suedes....Some of us were getting old and moved on, the casuals I knew didnt fight the mods etc but other casuals and firms

I think the issue is what skins became, in general. A number of Skins were going then to the 'basic' look. I dont think in this instance that its just the style of music than makes the man, as the shaved heads,tattooed jeans and boots look (more like punk skins) started a long time before Oi/Rejects/4Skins and a source of disgust to us (there was a view that these were the glue sniffing punks who became skins so they wouldnt get beaten up and live on the reputation of those before them). We kept away from these 'skins', as to us, they werent really skins at all... On the other hand there were skins who still kept to the spirit and good luck to them.

And that should cover it!!emoticon

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I remember Binsy and H!! Whatever happened to them 2, do you still see them? Also, Garry Bushell, he came to the USA with us, (the Upstarts), in the early 80's and I used to see his column in the paper but haven't heard anything about him for ages. D'you know anything?
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i think hoxton tom is a rude boy.cheers its like that mod song you where just a little mod
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Tony

I aint seen Binnsy or H for a few years now...I still speak and drink with Gal, hes still got a column in one of the Sundays and is also writing the Jeff Geggus book at the moment and I'm meant to be having a few beers with them soon...Tony you werent with the Upstarts when we supported at Northampton, we nicked Mensis sandwiches and pissed him right off, he got the promoter to not pay us and we had to convince him otherwise ha ha!emoticon

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Gay skinheads were around in the late-70s. Lonsdale shirts were popular with them. I don't know how or why they got into the look, though, although some regular visitors to Old Compton St today still go for the look (and most do it badly, it has to be said).



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