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LADY IN THE WATER - oh dear...

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Edge44 wrote:

LADY IN THE WATER - oh dear...

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What was wrong with it?

I happened to like Lady in the Water. I found the characters interesting, and I like the way they tried to designate themselves roles in the story and got it wrong - just like the writer character.

I loved the whole story. But I have loved everything that M Night Shyamlayan has done.

I went to see The Village at the cinema and it was brilliant. Chilling.

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ZODIAC (David Fincher, 2007) - superb, but you'd expect nothing less from Fincher. I agree with Fitz, this is the best film I've seen this year.

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ZODIAC (David Fincher, 2007) - superb, but you'd expect nothing less from Fincher. I agree with Fitz, this is the best film I've seen this year.

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It's an amazing film, and manages to do justice to the events without oversimplifying them for a modern audience (i.e. by not tacking on a convenient resolution to a story that, in effect, has no end). In retrospect, I still can't help but see the movie as a metaphor for American society's response to 9/11: the film follows a range of characters' different responses to an unresolved emotional trauma (obsession, acceptance, self-destruction), and in doing so it almost invites its audience to interpret it as a movie that is 'about' 9/11. It's a very powerful film.

I'm looking forward to the extended cut that's being released to DVD in America some time next year.

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ZODIAC (David Fincher, 2007) - superb, but you'd expect nothing less from Fincher. I agree with Fitz, this is the best film I've seen this year.

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It's an amazing film, and manages to do justice to the events without oversimplifying them for a modern audience (i.e. by not tacking on a convenient resolution to a story that, in effect, has no end). In retrospect, I still can't help but see the movie as a metaphor for American society's response to 9/11: the film follows a range of characters' different responses to an unresolved emotional trauma (obsession, acceptance, self-destruction), and in doing so it almost invites its audience to interpret it as a movie that is 'about' 9/11. It's a very powerful film.

I'm looking forward to the extended cut that's being released to DVD in America some time next year.

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You're right, Zodiac is a very powerful movie. I never thought about it as a 9/11 metaphor and I find it interesting that you do. The film doesn't really draw any parallels to that event, at least not overtly, but the way the characters obsess and self-destruct, as you say, clearly could be a parallel to the real-life events of 9/11 survivors, their families, and indeed an entire society, trying to come to terms with what happened.

First impressions for me was how the film dealt with obsession; every character is obsessed with the Zodiac killer, with his letters and puzzles and his identity, ultimately leading to the collapse of their lives. I find the story structure of Graysmith's character, from a writer's point of view, particularly interesting in that he spends the first half of the film being distracted with solving the Zodiac's puzzles, yet his true obsession doesn't really kick in until the second half of the movie when he has the blind date with Melanie, who is the first person to instill in him the worry of how dangerous it is to investigate the Zodiac killer. It's after this event that his obsession truly takes a grip onhis life. Is there a message about women there, somewhere?

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