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The VOID
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New Color System!
Hi there,
So far we all used the color and shading system that Frank has developed based on the color system originally used by Robert Brown.
This shading system mostly employs binary shading. Two green tones for technical stuff, two grey shades for furniture and so on.
We have expanded on that system when Lucas started his work on the studio model A-Wing. Many of our new ships emply much more complex shading techniques on the hull, canopies and many other things. This shading is not a binary shading, but a 5-tone shading.
I have discussed the shading/colour/shades issue with Lucas and some other users in the chat and I came to the conclusion, that it will be usefull to optionally employ similar shading techniques for internal applications. This will be especially usefull, as soon as someone will be working in another scale than blue scale. For blue scale, binary shading is often enough. For red scale and yellow scale, it will often be too simple and denies many possibilities of detail work.
However, we all want to work with a uniform style to present a visually distinct collective appearance.
Because of this, I have started to work on a new colour pallete. This pallete will include minor changes to existing colours, because of mathematical relations between the shades and because it is supposed to be a system, not just a sample board. All shades within one group will be related by a simple mathematical system, to enable future inclusion of additional shades on a need to have basis.
Since shading is about the brightness of a specific color first and its saturation and tone second, I will use the HSB coloursystem for all mathematical relations. HSB is Hue, Saturation, Brightness. Most shades of a colour differ in saturation and brightness, thus isolating the color component seemed like the best choice to me. RGB is much more chaoric, because every shade is based on three color ratings. Unless you want to change the final colour, you will have to adjust all three values, just to change saturation or brightness.
All colors will eventually be listed for both systems, HSB and RGB.
As mentioned, the new system will include minor changes to the existing colours, based on mathematical relations, but you will not visually notice these differences. I am developing the system, so that all existing colours are still extremely close to the new ones.
So far I have done this for the techstuff green tones and the furniturestuff grey tones. I will expand on that for the padding orange tones and for the floor tones, to enable shading of floors in a much better way than our current binary system allows.
The advantage of the new system is, that it ALLOWS use of these colors without clonflicting deckplans that don't use them. Use of the new shades will be fully optional, but use of the new versions of the old binary shading colours will be mandatory.
Additional 5-colour palettes will be made for different hull colours and I hope we will be able to create a mandatory colour palette between 150 and 200 fixed shades, leaving 56 shades in the GIF palette for all individual and exotic needs (complex shaded ships in magenta and xyan tones, for example).
Please tell me what you think about it. Your feedback is much appreciated and will be included in my effort.
Keep in mind that the new system will only provide additional colours to use without loosing uniform outward appearance and consistency of our works. I am not forcing this system on you, nor will Lucas, but we seek to improve the quality of our collective work and we want to prepare for future development without ending up in total chaos.
I also allows users with less artistic abilities to participate in a usefull way, since they can serve the community and the common goal, by making color correction on existing work, based on the new system. The effort to switch will not be a big one and since the new system will be compatible with the old, there is not much change, unless someone needs it.
Now opinions, please.
--- "The sand people are easily startled, but they will soon be back, and in greater numbers." — Obi-Wan Kenobi
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5/12/2006, 6:17 am
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Witzig
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Re: New Color System!
Thats a great Idea, though i also would like to see the Hex Codes for Colors. considering your vast Artistic Talent and huge experiences in 3D and General Design i'll simply entrust it to you to find fitting and good looking colors/shades.
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5/12/2006, 6:22 am
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Lucas P
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Re: New Color System!
Well, I definitely support this idea.
Void, are you nearly ready to show the shading chart?
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5/12/2006, 7:08 am
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The VOID
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Re: New Color System!
Nearly ready, yes. But only nearly. 
Next week I will have some definate results.
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5/12/2006, 8:08 am
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I'm not too sure about complex shading for the deckplans... For the exterior it’s a wonderful idea but the deckplans are an abstract representation and I think keeping the schematic look is more important. The main focus of a schematic should be clarity, not being pretty (hence the high contrast).
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5/12/2006, 4:27 pm
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The VOID
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And I completely agree to that. Clarity is prime priority. However, there are many cases were clarity is reached by the exact opposite of simplicity. Our deckplans are not only meant to show where something is, but also to understand how it looks in a simplified way. Certain complicated shapes profit from the option of more complex shading.
What differenciates a spehere from a cylinder, when seen from above, for example?
It will serve the same purpose at internal work, that it serves for exterior parts. It enables to better communicate the shapes.
The high contrast will remain, as will most of the colors so far used, but if someone needs to shade a sphere to make a it distincitive as one, he knows which colors to pick to do so.
More shades of the same color could also be used to indicate the height of an object, adding more clarity about the third dimension to the deckplans.
I don't even necessarily intend to use the new system for more visual realism. Visual realism has never really been our prime goal after all.
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5/12/2006, 5:28 pm
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Showing the difference between a cylinder and sphere seems to be overdoing it to me. I don’t see it as increasing clarity just increasing detail something that isn't essential (or desirable) to an abstract deckplan.
The way I see it is we would want a detailed realistic external view, make the ships look all pretty and what not but when we get to the internal view clarity is the priority and using too many colours and complex shading seems unnecessary.
As always... each project is up to the individual to complete how he/she/it/Lucas wishes. . You can take the shading as far as you want (both external and internal). Therefore I look forward to the palette. I may use it for external views.
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5/12/2006, 10:39 pm
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Witzig
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Yes its a good optional Thing to have, and its not THAT difficult to change the Shading back unshaded (even with MS Paint).
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5/13/2006, 1:54 am
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I also agree that this one is a good idea. If it's optional.
Those who want to use it may use it, those who don't, won't use ist without the loss of integrity.
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5/14/2006, 12:24 pm
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The VOID
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Behold: It is finally done!
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10/16/2006, 9:14 am
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