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The World of Star Wars pub
Frank, you always say go to the earliest source. Is 1981 early enough?
Hope so.
The cover.
Falcon had front loading freight arms. Bloackade Runner had fuel-burning engines.
Humm, now if everything had ions engines, this statement about the TIE wouldn't be necessary.
Again, ion engines better than ordinary rocket powered craft.
This tells me that the TIE use of ion engines was exclusive to other types of capital and fighter craft. How did the ion engine lable get carried to almost all others?
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It happened just a few years BEFORE that publication on the description of the 1979 Star Wars toy vessels by Kenner.
It's crap like that which caused George Lucas to finally say "Wait, I need to read and approve all of this stuff myself before I let anything go, for continuity sake..."
...and than he goes crazy and senile just before making the prequels... ruined everything.
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excuse me? continuity of the model descriptions? GL approves the descriptions?
Where did you get that idea? Not only are the descriptions mostly in conflict with each other, but most of the time, the designs don't even match up. GL does not spend all his days talking to every star wars artist saying "that's the right design for a 200 year old Swoop bike", or "that Action VI transport needs nipples."
he does not bother. he just agrees to let publications occur if he gets a royalty on the usage of his product name.
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11/12/2005, 12:48 pm
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Wow, taking a joke seriously, and adding words I did not say.
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11/12/2005, 12:52 pm
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Wow, taking a joke seriously,
There was a joke there?
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and adding words I did not say
Ah, the beauty of the english language, I don't have to use your exact words to make my point.
perhaps the following response suits your taste.
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It's crap like that which caused George Lucas to finally say "Wait, I need to read and approve all of this stuff myself before I let anything go, for continuity sake..."
That's a joke right?
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... ruined everything.
or is that one?
\Some people just don't get it.
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Very interesting Paul. If That article holds up, it essentially contradicts almost everything. I had that book but it was in worse shape than yours and was discarded in the early 80's. Preservation protocols were not as strict as they are today.
Shane Johnson seems to have contradicted that article in less than a year, in 1982 with his “Selayana-class Starship” blueprints of the Millennium Falcon simply called “Corellian Freighter”. On sheet 2 of 4 he states the propulsion system is a “Shass Mark VII antigrav cluster w/ Type 322 TI-HO HFG”. The propulsion type is listed as “Antigrav”. Oh the joy of this endless chaos. Will it ever make sense?
Later on, It would seem WEG ignored both these sources in 1987 with the production of the first edition RPG. Its hard to place blame for this when license holders pay very little attention to one another and in as many minds have conceived the EU, there are so many models of SW reality. Few agree with one another. My kingdom for consistency!!!
We know Somehow ion drives became the standard, and the LFL licensees embraced the idea completely. The above article does state the TIE is faster and more maneuverable than standard rocket powered craft. This did translate to the RPG with 4D maneuverability and space 10 (100 MGLT) speed.
Paul I am going to need the publisher and the names of the people who wrote that book please, and we will have to determine if its secondary or tertiary evidence. I am curious how much weight the publication deserves. Even in the light of this ancient source, the term “Twin Ion Engine” is clearly intended to be something exceptional in the SWU. I also still think the “E” in TIE denotes a single engine, and “Twin Ion” describes said engine. I also think this is the reason why TIEs are exemplary performance spacecraft.
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11/12/2005, 2:27 pm
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TM: LUCASFILM LTD. (LFL) 1981 (copyright)LUCASFILM LTD. (LFL) 1981. Published in U.S.A. by Paradise Press, Inc. Packaged by Bunch Assoc. Ltd. First published 1981 Printed in the U.S.A.
Different people wrote the articles. Jon Trux wrote the article to which the Fact Files were sidebarred. No author is given for the TIE block.
I have The STAR WARS Compendium, issue 3, summer 1982 that has the below article on hyperspace, by John Chesterman.
Does Shane contradict this?
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 Strap yourselves in...
"so he began the countdown which would project them into another dimension."
WOW my theories agree with. I agree Hyperspace another dimension. I have some cultures in my campaign refer to it as "the Ether". I also populate the dimension with force sensitive creatures that can withstand the vacuum of space and utilize the dimension for mental travel disciplines using the force. These creatures are very rare in my campaign, but they are there.
I think this article should start a different thread. Hyperspace and TIE fighters are not always in the same sentence.
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4/14/2006, 9:44 am
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Why is Vader's ship a TIE, his has FOUR engines...shouldn't it be a QIE?
Who says it has four engines? Sure, you see four thrust nozzles, but that just means it's likely more maneuverable than a standard TIE, not that each nozzle is attached to an independent engine. After all, look at the AV-8B Harrier II in today's world. It has 4 nozzles and 2 air intakes. How many engines does it have? One.
My take on the TIE fighters, with their ****pit/engine/pylon/panel arrangement has always tended to picture them with an engine in each wing pylon, the wing panels as large radiators for those engines, and each pylon engine feeding the adjacent thrust nozzle.
In Vader's personal fighter, I've always pictured a somewhat larger engine within each of the pylons, with the output from each engine feeding a pair of nozzles, one above and one below the aft equipment plane. While this split is necessitated by the presence of the hyperdrive and shield generators present within the aft housing, it would also increase the craft's maneuverability through the ability to vary the amount of thrust feeding each nozzle more than in the standard TIE's two-nozzle arrangement.
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