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He also happens to be right.
Totally.
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7/16/2006, 5:48 am
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Lucas P
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I'm sorry, I can't resist...
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It is my intent to give purpose to these features and make them look more like they were attached to the craft and not just a surface feature from the mold. Plus there are details that are obviously from model car kits. I will alter these to remove that appearance.
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Uh...WTF?! It's not for you to decide what does and doesn't look good with someone elses work...it simply is what it is. Besides, this is the actual movie footage and ILM model you're talking about. I think they know better than you what the TIE Fighter should and shouldn't look like.
'WTF?!' indeed. It is for all of us to decide what those parts do. that's why they call it speculative fiction. You are right that the parts should not be altered beyond recognition or the overall aesthetic, but there is a context here...
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Some will argue that what is seen in film is absolute gospel. I hold to the idea that all we see are speculations of what might be. I will give another speculation with only minor distortions as an improvement.
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Again...WTF?!! It IS absolute canon. Any other attitude would be like saying, "Well, I was never really satisfied with that 'fan-film' Star Wars, I think I'll just change this and that..." What kind of arrogance would lead someone to that kind of attitude?! You have to work with what you're given! Do you think that when the US Air Force is faced with some new plane they ignore facts and just paint a prettier picture? You need to rethink your stance on how you interpret canon.
I do not make arbitrary changes for the sake of change. I try to make the parts fit and work. If they do not fit and work in the overall final analysis, then something must change to make it work. I am not proposing that I am the expert here. far from it. If someone else can give a better solution that does not break the original aesthetic and design, then that is a success.
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I would expect no less from you Paul. emoticon
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And Lucas, am I right in reading this as tacit approval?
Yes. Paul has proven his skills.
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Especially when you slam me about considering all sources for my LSA work?
Actually, sir, I have not slammed you. I have merely been trying to get you to look at established primary canon evidence as your source to 'prove' the work on the LSA Scout. It is YOU who has taken offence, and now attempt to find any post made to try to use against me.
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Especially when you insist that I base the LSA on the TIE?
I Insist? I think you misread my intent...or did not read the attached capsule from the scans of the Scout from the WEG book. THEY say that it is based on the TIE and Lona drew it with obvious TIE parts....it is based on a TIE, you can't ignore that. If you do, then you are an idiot.
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What if Paul arbitrarily (I don't care what reason he could give) changes the dimensions of the TIE ****pit window?
Then I would tell him that he is wrong, unless he is able to provide evidence to prove that he is right.
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Please understand, I don't ask because I fear having to redo any work already done on the LSA, but because that whole notion is just plain wrong.
There is no fear of that at this stage. You have not provided any evidence to change my view. You seem bent on simply trying to overturn statements made months ago, change their context and present them...your purpose here eludes me, perhaps it's because I just woke up, but all I see here is petulence.
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WE are the fans. Not George Lucas, and not ILM...whether we like something or not, especially based on its looks, especially from something that is 100% canon!
I agree 100%.
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Anyway, in light of these posts that I find only support my arguments regarding the LSA, I think my detractors should really cut me some slack...but I know they wont.
you will definitely get no slack from me sir. If we were to relax our standards, then we would be no better than 'The Admiral' and I just can't abide that.
I suggest you calm down Warden Wolf and take the statements that I have made as positive encouragement to 'colour within the lines'.
All I want is to make the designs as accurate as possible. You will find that EVERY SINGLE drawing requires compromise of some sort, there is nothing wrong with that.
If you make a claim about the origin or design of a ship then I expect that you present evidence to support that. Apply scientific method to the research and make speculations about the evidence, do not simply indicate arbitrarily that you will use fan art as a starting point for a ship you intend to draw, because;
1) the fan art is not official, regardless of how good it is.
2) any errors in the fan art will be propogated to yours.
Lucas.
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7/16/2006, 7:14 am
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The VOID
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If you do, then you are an idiot.
Please calm down a bit. 
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7/16/2006, 7:40 am
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Lucas P
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I apologize, but this is turning into a witch hunt.
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7/16/2006, 7:50 am
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The VOID
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Just don't shout 'witch' yourself. 
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7/16/2006, 7:59 am
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The VOID wrote:
Just don't shout 'witch' yourself.
Unless you get turned into a newt... or WW weighs the same as a duck... 
Seriously, guys... both of you seriously need to take a breath and chill out. Flaming each other does not solve any design issues.
Also, this is not the LSA thread. This is the TIE Fighter thread. You want to argue over the TIE design, go ahead -- but leave the LSA arguments for its own thread.
Thank you.
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7/16/2006, 9:02 am
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Quint89 wrote:
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He also happens to be right.
Totally.
I agree.
And everyone needs to take a really long deep breath before posting. Let's all try it now.
Here are steps:
1) Read post.
2) Get angry and defensive.
3) Start typing angry rebuttal.
4) Reread angry rebuttal.
5) DELETE angry rebuttal.
6) Post sensible arguement to defend your position.
7) Continue healthy debate until resolution happens.
8) All parties walk away happy.
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7/16/2006, 7:04 pm
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Slay1
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I must add
3) type angry rebuttal in word or other doc. format
3a) spell check
5) retype sensible rebuttal in word
5a) spell check
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7/16/2006, 7:19 pm
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WardenWolf
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Lucas, my point about the TIE wasn't about speculating upon the functions of surface features...it was about the changing of those features because they look like "model car kits".
It was, after all, a long time ago and a galaxy far, far away. Any "resemblence" to model cars is coincidence. When ILM built the models, we were supposed to provide suspension of disbelief. It's what makes these movies possible. Otherwise we'd all be sitting there thinking "this is so fake".
Make no mistake, I'm not an idiot, nor am I trolling. I was trying to point out a double standard that seems to be at work here.
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I have merely been trying to get you to look at established primary canon evidence as your source to 'prove' the work on the LSA Scout. It is YOU who has taken offence, and now attempt to find any post made to try to use against me.
I AM looking at established canon...and I'm not quite sure what you mean by "primary". I am not searching the forum for posts in an effort to "attack" you. That would imply I cared about you. Instead, why don't you open your eyes and realize that I'm seeking evidence that "supports" my claim. Is that so hard?
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I Insist? I think you misread my intent...or did not read the attached capsule from the scans of the Scout from the WEG book. THEY say that it is based on the TIE and Lona drew it with obvious TIE parts....it is based on a TIE, you can't ignore that. If you do, then you are an idiot.
I did read the capsule from both WEG books...and neither of them implicitly state that the Lone Scout is a TIE variant...only that they share components. Also, I never claimed that it wasn't based on or influenced by the TIE...MY claim was that I could not reconcile the later meshes with the original image, stats, and capsule. There is a very important distinction here.
I chose to post these statements in this thread because of your planned intent to allow the original, canon ILM TIE Fighter. An action which you still have not provided a rational explanation.
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7/16/2006, 7:52 pm
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Is yu triying to says we dosnet speills weell???
Or do you think they are pounding the keyboard and don't really care what key(s) they strike?
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