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psCargile
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Re: TIE/ln model WIP
Here is the ILM resource photographs: Steinschneider Props.
One interesting thing given Luc's scaling is that a person can actually stand fully erect in the ****pit, and the ****pit hs plenty of room for all the avionics to be installed and assessable from inside. If we want to make the upper cap an ejection door, there would be enough room for an astromech droid to be lowered from a removed door for maintenance. Oh, by the way, speaking of TIE fighter maintenance, did I tell you I used to work. . .oh nevermind.
Is there any official material showing the TIE in the racks?
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7/24/2006, 11:37 am
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Re: TIE/ln model WIP
I have a picture of a Tie Bomber in a rack, i could send you when i get home. But i dont think that thast specificaly what you wanted
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7/24/2006, 11:39 am
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psCargile
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Re: TIE/ln model WIP
No its not, since I'm not working the bomber. If its a RotJ screen cap, don't bother, I can make those myself.
Thanks anyway.
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7/24/2006, 11:44 am
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Re: TIE/ln model WIP
There is a picture of TIEs in an overhead rack in the Incredible Cross-Sections book, but they show the upper cap as the access hatch. If you want though I can still scan and post.
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7/24/2006, 1:30 pm
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krag123
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Re: TIE/ln model WIP
psCargile,
I think i found a sight that might have useful images for you.
http://www.jrbassett.com/images/TFaHN2.JPG
Its a tie in the rack, but its all CG, so unsure if this was just how the artist thought it should work, or if this is how its supposed to work.
Have a look, found it to be intersting.
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7/24/2006, 1:39 pm
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Re: TIE/ln model WIP
We are very familiar with Mr. Bassett's work, thank you krag.
(can you please use the url tags in that link?)
It's just that his mesh is speculative. Although James' TIE is arguably the best available on the net (at the moment) the interior, although VERY good, has a lot of guess work to it,..and I think it would be far more useful to use canon film resources to determine the TIE.
Paul and I did wrestle with the TIE launch racks several years ago and we came to the conclusion that the design in Incredible Cross Sections is WAY too complicated....but that is for another ship.
I think we need to concentrate on the ship for the time being, not the delivery system.
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Lucas
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7/24/2006, 2:01 pm
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Re: TIE/ln model WIP
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I think we need to concentrate on the ship for the time being, not the delivery system.
Yeah, I know. But my approach to all this holistic. The reason I am curious is because I am pondering the functions of all those small details on the ball surface. Some are power and servicing umbilicals and connectors, and some could be rack crane hard-points. If we determine which detail are most-likely to be those hard-points, then when the time comes to do the rack system, I'll be ready and there wont be any uh-ohs.
If we want (or if there are any book or other reference) TIE pilots to eject, then the upper cap is the way out. It also provides an excellent maintenance hatch. The cap would be closed and sealed on the TIE launch ready racks, with the pilot entering the aft hatch (refer to Shane Johnson's Technical Journal. He correctly lables the hatch from original concept art), which would be open. I would argue that the upper cap doesn't neccesarily open as James Basset speculates, but is removed to facilitate maintenance. This is not an uncommon practice. An open aft hatch and a removed upper cap would give technicians two ways to enter and exit, which would be a boon when more than one person or droid are working the TIE.
At least this is my approach.
Also, so as to not fill up all my image hosting space, I wont update with three or four pics for every little addition I make. I'll do updates when I have a lot more work done.
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7/25/2006, 7:55 am
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The thing is, if it is a hatch, it is a hatch. Yes, one could be for ejection and maintainance only, but as soon as two hatches exist, both could be used to full extend. Different rack assemblies could provide entry from behind, or from the top and even the ejection system could decide in which direction the pilot will be ejected, depending on circumstances.
The TIE is one of the most advanced space superiority fighter production lines by the time of the classic trilogy and it is built to be used as a galactic standard. To achieve that, it will have to be able to work in dozens of different ships. Ships with racks of one kind, ships with racks of another kind, ships without racks and so on. If it costs not a single credit more in production to turn a service hatch into a functional entry hatch, then I would go that way.
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7/25/2006, 8:32 am
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Re: TIE/ln model WIP
personally, I like the 'pop-off' hatch idea. in an ejection it would be ejected before the pilot...might even act like a shield for him...attached to the flight seat or something. That is something worth considering.
perhaps the entire 'Core' of the Fighter can be removed vertically (in either direction).
If you look at the Incredible Cross Sections books, specifically at the Falcon, the artist shows the caps detached from the hull...I am thinking that it is a very elegant solution.
The problem with hinging the top hatch is that the interior images do not show a hinge system...while this is not necessarily telling itself, look at the design...it is a round object connected to a ball - how sturdy are those hinges going to be? To me that would be a pretty damned week hinge.
If the TIE (crash) lands on on a planet, chances are you will want to blow the hatch off to get out anyway.
It's probably feasible that all the quadrants of the Ball are detachable - top, bottom, front and rear with explosive bolts, or even removable pins for maintenance.
just a thought.
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Lucas
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7/25/2006, 10:42 am
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Re: TIE/ln model WIP
SInce this thing is intended to go into a rack, maybe the rack holds the top until the step(or two) before launch then screws it in place(or however it would lacth). The pilot may have to secure it as part of pre-flight.
When not in the rack the other hatch would act as an entry for the pilot.
And as far as maintainance goes, I am sure there is some maintainance within the ****pit of fighter aircraft. The door to which acts as both the entry and is jetisoned before ejection.
There is a cut-scene in the game that shows the rack launching the TIE, and from what I remember it holds the ship between the solar panels and the ball.
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7/25/2006, 11:19 am
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