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doormat
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Lady Luck
I never think small... 
Frank asked me to post some of my work: I'm afraid he hoped I was slightly better than I was, but I'll still put something up, if I may.
The Lady Luck
Or, at least a stock version. It's just a two plan: there is a front view, and a two - deck layout plan, but both are poor.
I've put this up because I'd welcome any thoughts on 1) the external dimentions, and 2) the internal stucture (i.e., everything, really!).
First of all, the ship has two rows of square details on each side; this much at least all sources agree upon. I think the're windows - this is a yacht after all - but they might be pannels, like on Jabba's sail-barge I suppose. (Although that's a diffrent manufacturer, there is an undeniable shadow of that here.)
If we take them as windows, then it's obvious that there isn't enough hight on the top row for a full top deck, or enough clearance for a floor. This is the point where the hull "kicks out" into a triangle section, so I am working on the basis that the upper deck extends into the area of the lower windows, and that there is a kink in the ceiling of the lower deck, with the outer areas of the lower deck being higher than the inner corridor and utilities. These lower rooms, one assumes, are the staterooms. (EG2V&V gives 6 staterooms.) The escape pods would be within "island" stuctures on the top deck, which would be a closed ****pit, observation gallery/prominade and balcony.
The lower nose area would house the crew (2 or three would be right for an earth yacht of this size). I want to keep as much tech here and in the drive units as I can - It makes sense to have the interior layout as flexiable as you can, given the role of the ship.
Also, I'm conserned that the profile may be wrong. I took EG2V&V's exterior because there was only detail consistancy in the pictures I found, but it's not as sleek as I'd like. If anyone has any references or ideas they'd like to share, please do.
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12/6/2005, 1:51 pm
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eion
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Re: Lady Luck
This may be of help to you:
As shown in Star Wars Galaxies
The ship featured there is the "pleasure model", and lacks the special modifications made by Lando. It has no weapons, escape pods, advanced sensor arrays, droid brain etc.
The interior plan displayed on the site shows 4 main areas. From bow to stern they are:
*A curved lounge/hallway in the nose of the yacht
*A small circular room accessed from the port rear of the nose-hallway, which could likely be an entrance point of some type (or potential escape pod)
*A large flight deck, featuring a curved forward window and controls, with a large computer bank to the rear.
*A large 2 story hall with bar to the rear. The large windows of this are appear to slant inward.
*the second story of this hall features an observation balcony at the rear.
*A small observation lounge accessed from the read of the balcony with what may be a curved sofa.
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12/6/2005, 3:52 pm
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Can someone tell me where the bathroom is? 
I have scans of the original artwork for the SoroSuub Luxury 3000. Send me an email, and I'll send them to you.
fvbonura@verizon.net
The bow is too pointy. I will try to superimpose your image over the scan to see how it lines up tomorrow.
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12/6/2005, 8:20 pm
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doormat
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Re: Lady Luck
Yes, I saw the 3000 from SW:G and JKII, thanks. There seem to be two very diffrent ideas on this ship - sharp and bulky. since it's not realistic to fit anything in the sharp, SW:G type I went with bulky. The cutaway is, I fear, quite useless. No toilets, no drive systems, no power plant... heck, some bunks would be nice!
It's too small, has a huge... dancefloor(?) and bar and a one-man ****pit; but I might use the cuved lounge at the front and the ****pit detailing, since they are in JKII as well and give the ship a unique feel.
Of course, the prow is the only place a powerplant and hyperdrive are going to fit: the outriggers are too small for anything plausable. The more I look at this ship, the more I see a three-part stucture: nose and outriggers, with a cabin and whatnot sort of "bolted on". That makes sence from a bespoke interior viewpoint, and means that there may be other SoroSuub ships on the same platform (It looks very diffrent to anything else they do, and the concept fits with the Nestt and Nyabn, which are both quite modular)
Something like this. It's a 2 min hack job, but you see what I mean.
In fact, it's not established that the stock ship has a force-balcony - that's pretty tech for a stock ship: It may be a factory option or retro-fit to replace a bay window or somesuch... hmm...
One might even suggest that the Lady Luck was "coach-built" onto a platform by SoroSuub - like an old rolls-royce. We don't have a price for the 3000, do we; that would give us an idea as to how bespoke they are, or how widely available the platform is: Would it be used for other things, or just luxury transports?
Update: Frank just sent me these:
Three plan and deckplans
Rear Three Quarters
The three quarters is by Rob Caswell, the Deckplan by John Paul Lorna
The deck plans on the first image would give us a very large ship indeed, with a lot more service space than I would have expected, and smaller cabins. The latter image has diffrent detailing, and is less hard-edged. Note the upper windows, and the lack of windows on the side veiw. If they arn't windows, what are they?
Also note that the rear side airlocks are shown on the Caswell image to be - fins or somesuch. The Lorna image is unclear on that, but they do look more door-like, and it makes sense to have airlocks there. I may re-work the upper platform to accord more with the Caswell image (I like the rear booms, which I assumed were a flat canopy in my drawing. That makes the field at the back four-face (top [between the booms], back and sides) rather than the 1 face "curtain" on my drawing, but showing a dedicated generator system is good, and the views would be better.)
The nose on my drawing, of course, is indeed too sharp, and not long enough if one follows the image. For volume reasons I think I'll keep the basic proportions of that section, or there would be a lot of space down there which wouldn't serve any role.
Both the drawings also show three engines in each outrider. The would have to be quite small, but I can't overlook that evidence(even though I built the outriders around two of Franks Nyubba drives *mutter mutter*) The smaller outside drives are ion's I guess, with the larger, main drive central. I'll draw an all-new combined engine system with that configuration - just don't ask me when!
Any other thoughts?
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12/7/2005, 12:15 pm
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Re: Lady Luck
I think this is coming along great so far. Looks like the Caswell drawing is taken directly from the Chiang sketch in EGVV.
Interesting that with the other sources available and established, that SW:G art team would completely ignor it all and do their own thing. Which I dislike.
doormat, based on what you've wrote, I'm confident that you will do the SS3000 justice.
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12/7/2005, 11:56 pm
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eion
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Re: Lady Luck
The ventral view of the SWG rendition shows what seems to be piping and a central vent, which is in the midline, so it cannot be that circular room shown on the cutaway. This may be where some of the ships equipment is housed. There also seems to be some room in the fantail section, and this particular model seems to lack the force-deck.
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12/12/2005, 12:58 pm
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doormat
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Re: Lady Luck
Yes, the SW:G rendition does have a few errors - I'm not sure I can take it all that seriously, except in so much as it absolutly shows the side details as windows - (actualy it's the only solid source I have that does.)
I've made the changes to the external views that I mentioned earlier, but I'm having trouble.. well, making it look good. :-)
I know what you're going to say: that's not very scientific; but the one cannon fact we do have is that Lando bought one of these things, so they MUST look good! Even if not state-of-the-art, it's the sort of starship that a schoolboy would lust over, which means that it's a real issue. These ships have more expensive technical solutions, and many more comprimises on internal space would be made for looks and comfort.
Bah! Progress is slow. :-)
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12/13/2005, 2:54 pm
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Doormat try to keep the side view I sent you as true to form as possible. Modify your top view and front view to accomodate the side. The side view is canon to this project.
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12/13/2005, 9:11 pm
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Re: Lady Luck
You mean the Caswell or the Lorna drawing?
I agree with Caswells work, except in so much that I think the details on the side are windows, even if I don't have concrete cannon to prove it, and the nose is too long.
The window thing is a logical deduction based on the fact that the ship is a luxury yacht and it's kinda pointless having an observation deck without any windows.
The nose is just... well, if I drew flat-on side view with a nose like that you would see what I mean... the length of the ship is given in EGVV, and with a nose like that the body would be far too small. Also, it represents a lot of wasted space, and looks odd.
The drawing I did already is quite close to the J P Lorna drawing - it has the same upper pod and profile, minus a few proportion changes and the nose. There are some details to work out, like the rear booms and the engine design, but mostly that is the drawing that is reproduced in EGVV2, which I used as my main source to start with. I have changed the upper pod to match the Caswell drawing now, though.
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12/14/2005, 12:28 pm
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Re: Lady Luck
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You mean the Caswell or the Lorna drawing?
John Paul Lona's side view is canon, do not change it. Burn the Essential Guide. That book is dangerous. LOL
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I agree with Caswells work, except in so much that I think the details on the side are windows, even if I don't have concrete cannon to prove it, and the nose is too long.
They are windows, I agree. The ship is made from a lot of transparasteel. Make the top and side view fit the JPL drawing.
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The nose is just... well, if I drew flat-on side view with a nose like that you would see what I mean... the length of the ship is given in EGVV, and with a nose like that the body would be far too small. Also, it represents a lot of wasted space, and looks odd.
That nose will hold tons of fuel and a myriad of other vital systems. leave it big.
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The drawing I did already is quite close to the J P Lorna drawing - it has the same upper pod and profile, minus a few proportion changes and the nose. There are some details to work out, like the rear booms and the engine design, but mostly that is the drawing that is reproduced in EGVV2, which I used as my main source to start with. I have changed the upper pod to match the Caswell drawing now, though.
Post what you have, and I will look it over.
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