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Re: Lady Luck
I'll be sure to.
I may do a longer nosed one too, without reducing the size of the body - the length would be off, but that's ok, I guess, since there is no model of this ship to work from. The length was probably plucked from thin air anyhow.
We can see which one seems more correct. I'll try to get something up before next week. - What I've got now is covered in lines and what-have-you, which I'm sure you wouldn't mind, but I want to have something a little more polished. I maintain that the perspective is off in the caswell drawing and the nose is shorter than it appears, though.
Edit: Ah, to heck with it.
This is what I've got. The rear balcony on the side view hasn't been updated, the ****pit window in the top view needs re-working, the scrip on the lower engine pod is mirrored, and the landspeeder-hanger lift needs doors, because the hull there is curved. Any other mistakes, point them out please.
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12/15/2005, 1:17 pm
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Re: Lady Luck
Well this is what the ship should look like:
Scaled side view by John Paul Lona
And this is what your ship looks like compared to it:
Doormat's side view over the Scaled side view by John Paul Lona
I think the above comparrison pretty much expresses my opinion perfectly. The Ship needs to be 984 pixels long in Bluescale.
Any questions?
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12/15/2005, 9:29 pm
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Re: Lady Luck
...well..in any case...I do like it...but I was under the impression that the 3000 was unarmed, in her stock configuration...
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12/15/2005, 9:35 pm
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Re: Lady Luck
You did notice I deleted it in the overlay MT right?
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12/15/2005, 9:40 pm
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doormat
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Re: Lady Luck
Where did you get the scale for the j.p.l. drawing? Based on his deckplans, the ship would have to be twice that big. Do we realy know enough to judge it's size down to 4 pixels?! There's more diffrence that that in the various studio models of the Falcon!
And does someone want to explain how we're going to fit 6 staterooms, 12 escape pods, an observation deck, a lounge and a landspeeder hanger in that? 
And yeah, we can delete the gun if you want - we realy don't know that much about the stock configuration of the SS3000. I was working on the basis that it was an expensive ship and that Lando probably reused an existing hard-point. Maybe it was a factory option - the SS3000 pre-dates the Empire, after all.
I also checked some other, unsound, sources, and a lot of people think the rear balcony was a custom fit: should the stock ship have it?
Let's go back a bit: does anyone have a copy of "Heir to the Empire"? That's where the SS300 first appeared I think, and what J.P.L was drawing from - we need some quotes, if there are any.
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12/16/2005, 11:19 am
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Re: Lady Luck
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Where did you get the scale for the j.p.l. drawing?
It clearly states in the "Dark Force Rising Sourcebook" first edition, page 134 that the Lady Luck is 50 meters long. No big mystery. 50 meters in Bluescale is 984 pixels, again no magic, just simple math. All WEG sources agree she is 50 meters long.
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Based on his deckplans, the ship would have to be twice that big. Do we really know enough to judge it's size down to 4 pixels?!
Yes, because we have never tried to make 50 meters work. It’s a yacht, and at that price, many systems may be from starfighters, and thus powerful and small.
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There's more difference than that in the various studio models of the Falcon!
What references are you talking about? The length of this ship has never been disputed in the past, and all known sources put her at 50 meters. I personally think it will all fit.
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And does someone want to explain how we're going to fit 6 staterooms, 12 escape pods, an observation deck, a lounge and a landspeeder hanger in that?
It not too hard:
1. Your state rooms have the escape pods. SoroSuub ships often place the pods within arms reach of the beds. See my Nestt freighter for a better look. 12 PES-550s barely take up any room at all.
2. Anywhere there are windows, there is an observation deck. The Cargo empress has observation DECKS in its escape corridors, and it’s a freighter. The Nestt has an observation deck in the narrow corridor to the bridge. It’s small but there.
3. Lounge? Any room as large as a kitchen will serve, and why not make the lounge and observation deck the same structure?
4. A landspeeder hanger would not be more than 4 meters long, and it does not have to be a full deck in height, so repulsors, and other equipment, can be stuffed on top of it.
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And yeah, we can delete the gun if you want - we realy don't know that much about the stock configuration of the SS3000. I was working on the basis that it was an expensive ship and that Lando probably reused an existing hard-point. Maybe it was a factory option - the SS3000 pre-dates the Empire, after all.
“Pirates & Privateers” lists her as unarmed stock. A ship like this would only travel in patrolled space. Lando was forced to arm her out of necessity.
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I also checked some other, unsound, sources, and a lot of people think the rear balcony was a custom fit: should the stock ship have it?
I see no reason why it should not. A handrail on the ships stern makes for good safety.
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Let's go back a bit: does anyone have a copy of "Heir to the Empire"? That's where the SS300 first appeared I think, and what J.P.L was drawing from - we need some quotes, if there are any.
The scans I sent you come from the first source of the SS-3000, the "Dark Force Rising Sourcebook" first edition. I own a copy and have gone by it exclusively. The Essential Guide is tripe, and should be ignored save for the text by former WEG employee Bill Smith.
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12/16/2005, 12:58 pm
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Re: Lady Luck
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“Pirates & Privateers” lists her as unarmed stock. A ship like this would only travel in patrolled space. Lando was forced to arm her out of necessity.
Pirates and privateers may not list any weapons for the Luxury 3300, but the "Vessel Recognition Chart" on page 57 clearly shows at least one weapon under the ship at center and there are two more that appear to be weapons at and near the front.
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12/16/2005, 1:12 pm
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doormat
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Re: Lady Luck
I have to say, I don't agree with the 50m figure if we stick to the JPL profile. I do see where you're coming from, and I can't fault your sources, but it just doesn't make sense to me.
Size is not an issue for a luxury yacht - why would such expensive technical solutions be used, and why not increace space rather than reduce size? This only makes sense if we assume the SS3000 is a sports-yacht, and that doesn't seem to fit the concept. "Any room as large as a kitchen" will not serve - this is a yacht. In the same way, the observation deck should be an opulant space, not a jeffries tube!
Anyhow, like I said, I can't fault your sources, so it seems to me that I have three options -
I can reduce the length of the ship to 50m, and bend the profile to provide more space, or,
I can redraw the ship correct to the JPL profile, while ignoring the 50m length, or,
I can redraw the ship correct to the profile and length (which would always be my prefered option), and then we get to play at making the insides look plausable.
I think I'd need to go back to the drawing board. I don't know if there is much of what I've done I can salvage if we decide to stick to those 2 constraints.
I'll go with the majority on this.
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12/16/2005, 1:28 pm
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Re: Lady Luck
First off, I think the work you have done on your version is great. But..
If the JPL profile is being accepted as cannon, than that is what must be worked from. I don't think your ship is that far off overall and you should be able to fit everything in her. But I guess the question is, did Wedge just randomly assign a length to it, or is length noted in the novels somewhere? IF Wedge randomly assigned a length, than I am not sure that makes it cannon. Let's face it, Wedge did not always do a good job with these kinds of things.
I know you are concerned about space in the ship, but keep in mind not all yachts are huge luxery yachts with tons of open space. Some yachts are small vessels. Do a google image search of "yacht" and you'll find a variety of shapes and sizes. Perhaps this ship is on the smaller side of things. It would certainly make sense that Lando would want to travel in style while at the same time maintaining a low profile. A smaller yacht would help with that.
I look forward to whatever you develop as I know it will be quite good.
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12/16/2005, 3:36 pm
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doormat
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Re: Lady Luck
Thanks.
I've started on the JPL/50m drawing already, and I don't think it'll be such a huge issue as I thought. The engines look a bit small, and we will have to compomise on the interior space, but I should be able to fit everything in. That large nose is no longer such an issue...
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12/16/2005, 3:47 pm
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