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The VOID
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Re: CEC YT-1760: WIP
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psCargile wrote:
Jeff's webpage is gone.
Nothing is ever gone in the digital age.
http://web.archive.org/web/20041104053059/www.theforce.net/books/carlisle/gallery/gamer2.htm
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4/12/2006, 8:45 pm
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FULONGAMER
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 Re: CEC YT-1760: WIP
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tpkc klick wrote:
WOW
That is laziness at its worst. How hard would it have been for FULONGAMER to clean up his deckplan so it didn't look like a second rate cut-and-paste job? At least "The Admiral" had the courtesy to make his crap look like finished crap.
That was in fact a 5 minute fast job, in the middle of a game for my players in Korea some years ago. I have not gone back in to adjust or refine it as the need has not come up. I certainly have higher quality expectations for finished products, but you must remember, pretty is not always good. With the information at hand, I actually feel rather confident about the internal elements. Regardless of the artist's creative license in making an engine contrail out of what to all other respects would be a docking collar. All the other external attributes seem to handily support the internals as given.
Alternatively, you have the really pretty picture on this forum, nice to be sure, with cargo and habitable corridors under the external heat exchangers. From both the old YT1300s on Frank's site and even justified by the Complete Cutaways books, there is really no room for such under those structures. That is all engine back there. Mine may be ugly, and for a on the spot flash creation, it has every right to be, but it is functional and true to the rest of the established YT line canon.
Glad to meet the rest of you as well, folks.
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"I Waste Him With My Bowcaster!"
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4/15/2006, 7:13 pm
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Quint89
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Re: CEC YT-1760: WIP
...and he comes in swinging...
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4/15/2006, 7:22 pm
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Lucas P
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Re: CEC YT-1760: WIP
Welcome to the SWDA, FULONGAMER.
You are, of course, right to react in this way.
Please understand that your deckplan was not expected.
I have to say though that your internal configuration suggests a much larger ship than is depicted in the Carlisle images, by virtue of the space you have added to the 'saucer' portion of the hull and the fact that you have made the centre portion an engine, rather than the docking port that Carlisle clearly intended that to be.
If we were to assume that this portion is the same size as the falcon, then it is clear that this is a MUCH smaller ship than the falcon, with space for perhaps 2 beings to live relatively comfortably...making this a small fast courier ship.
I apologize if I insulted you in any way, but this is not a reflection of the original artwork, and therefore can only be considered a variant at best.
Please do not view the above rebuttal as negative. You show promise in the layout of the interior, but I think that deckplans of this type do need more care in their execution.
kind regards,
Lucas
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4/15/2006, 7:33 pm
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Kayle Skolaris
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Re: CEC YT-1760: WIP
It should be pointed out that there's 'clearly' as much evidence for the center pod being a thruster as there is a docking arm since there's a contrail coming from it. I could always ask him, but I doubt he remembers or cares.
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4/15/2006, 7:36 pm
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FULONGAMER
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 Re: CEC YT-1760: WIP
No problems, In fact as a revision to more closely match the actual craft, (now easier than then, with alternate bridge configs available) I'd centerline a pair of seats as well in lieu of the 4 pack CEC normal and downgrade the lateral pairs of PEZ to linear pairs or singles. I never dedicated anything even resembling normal Crew Quarters, as the Wall-stow bunks seem more likely for this craft.
The Saucer section chambers from my plan are low-headroom cargo areas or cramped quarters possibilities. Definitely not for the Wookiee to walk around in. It's for packing small cargo in crannies and corners while keeping them separated in protected chambers as opposed to that in the central cargo deck/lounge conversion area.
Of the two options the artist potentially got glaringly wrong in this ship, I feel unhesitatingly confident that the three pods are all engines even though the external "detailing" of the center pod looks Docking Arm-ish, rather than the artist put a "just to be kool" contrail out of an aft docking ring. Valid reasoning for the error (aside from the artist) : a Crew with a tight budget, and a sense of humor, felt a need for hull replacement plates. It makes more sense for the craft as a type and as described. All-engine Courier with the means to get gone as required.
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or
"I Waste Him With My Bowcaster!"
Johannes M. Bowers
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4/15/2006, 7:47 pm
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Jason Staar
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Re: CEC YT-1760: WIP
I personaly think it could be redesigned as a three engine variant of the yt-1300.
Using the front end of a center cokpit yt-1300, and modifing the back end to fit the picture?
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4/15/2006, 7:59 pm
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FULONGAMER
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 Re: CEC YT-1760: WIP
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Lucas P wrote:
This is taken from Jeff Carlisle's gallery page.
please notice, no contrail. I believe that the image that indicates a contrail there, photoshopped it, therefore it is not original...it is also resized.
I am sorry, but I cannot agree that it is a thruster, regardless of your confidence. 
regards,
Lucas
Only problem is, that the "no contrail" image is *not* the one in the official published material. There, it is an Engine. Also, while the image in the magazine has the third contrail and only 4 heat exchangers, The wireframe you are working on in this forum has 6. Now it could be defended as a Docking collar with the original inner two exchangers feeding the two "sub-thruster" pods between the three main assemblages, however as a clean pair on the structure in the center there is no choice but to go with the center as another engine.
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FULONGAMER
aka
"It's not My planet Monkey-boy!"
or
"I Waste Him With My Bowcaster!"
Johannes M. Bowers
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4/15/2006, 8:04 pm
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Lucas P
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Re: CEC YT-1760: WIP
why redesign it? isn't this ship considered part of the EU canon?
--- Only 2 things are infinite; The Universe, and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein
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4/15/2006, 8:06 pm
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