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Lucas P
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Re: SoroSuub Nella 342 Light Freighter Feedback
That link does not appear to work Xynar.
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8/7/2006, 11:38 am
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The VOID
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Re: SoroSuub Nella 342 Light Freighter Feedback
You did accidently remove all credits associated with the artwork, Xynar. In fact, I could not find my name anywhere in that pdf. I assume that happened accidently and I would really appreciate, if it was corrected asap.
--- "The sand people are easily startled, but they will soon be back, and in greater numbers." — Obi-Wan Kenobi
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8/7/2006, 12:02 pm
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Xynar
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Re: SoroSuub Nella 342 Light Freighter Feedback
No problem. The pics were clipped to maximize page space. As these are completed, all artwork and information will be given proper credit. This still a WIP. If a different format can be made that suits you all, great. Let me know what to change.
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8/7/2006, 1:12 pm
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The VOID
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Re: SoroSuub Nella 342 Light Freighter Feedback
Okay, I am back at work on the Nella again.
Right now, the ship is undergoing a massive overhaul. A lot of internal systems are adjusted, modified, refined and changed. You will see soon.
I want to use this opportunity to thank Frank Bonura, not only for the assistance he provided, but also for the internal parts that I borrowed from his designs, that were very helpfull as placeholders. I originally intended to keep as many of those in the ship as possible, as a gesture of respect and also to maintain the heritage compatibility between his Sorosuub designs and mine. Since he requested removal of these systems and especially after I found out that most of them were obsolete and not in line with current canon anyway, I decided to remove and replace them with better systems. I wish to apologize to all, who would have prefered continued compatibility.
Doing all these changes, I also remembered, that there was this strange issue about the spiral staircase in the ship and the part that irritated me the most, was the unfunded claim that the staircase would be a problem for droids. As I said from the very beginning, it is not, but those are just my claims. To actually prove it, I made a simple animation about how exactly this spiral staircase works as a spiral staircase, as a lift and as a pressure seal. Perhaps I did not make the exact function of the stairs clear enough before. In that case, my fault.
See this short animation for details:
http://swda.art-of-void.de/nonpicmedia/stairswork.mov
While doing the animation, I found out that I will have to rotate the stairs a bit to optimize internal space consumption. Otherwise some of the stairs can get in the way of people using the corridor. I want to thank Frank Bonura and also Paul Cargile for bringing this to my attention, even though it may not have been their original intention. Credit where credit is due and thanks anyway.
Most of all this will be addressed in the next update of the ship. Thanks for your time and stay tuned. 
--- "The sand people are easily startled, but they will soon be back, and in greater numbers." — Obi-Wan Kenobi
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9/26/2006, 11:42 am
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Re: SoroSuub Nella 342 Light Freighter Feedback
Nifty animation aside, if the "stairs" can do all that, I have to ask the logical question of...why? If a lift functions, and all persons and droids can use it, why does it turn into stairs.
No offense meant, but you can't use logic to rationalize an illogical thing.
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9/26/2006, 1:17 pm
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Tiree
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Re: SoroSuub Nella 342 Light Freighter Feedback
Easy Jake -
Power Consumption - with the necessity of needing a lift.
In a real world environment - do you always take the elevator when a staircase is next to it. Even more so, if it is faster to walk than wait for the bloody thing? I used to work on the third floor of a building, and it was always faster to walk the stairs than wait for the elevator.
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9/26/2006, 1:23 pm
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Re: SoroSuub Nella 342 Light Freighter Feedback
Oookaay...
1. Power - the lift isn't always is use. Only draws power when used (like any time a droid needs to go up or down). Further, we have no evidence of power consumption being a problem in the SW universe. Maybe lifts draw little, maybe they draw alot. Their ubiquitous useage tells me that they are probably quite simple and robust...and that is a strong indicator (for many successful technologies) that it is not power intensive.
2. Spirals - my major problem with spiral staircases is one of safety. Firstly, it doesn't matter who has to use them or how often. They are simply less safe than a standard stairway. Point of fact that the tread depth on the inside of the curve is very small. This creates many hazards when trying to navigate small spiral staircases in a hurry (like onboard ship during an emergency). One's foot can easily slip off the tread causing the user to fall. This seems to be an unacceptable risk within an already risky environment.
3. Style - I can understand the existence of spiral staircases as a point of style, and that is fine if the designers of such a thing had only that in mind. But all things being equal, no spiral staircases exist in hazardous environments. I've never seen one on a ship (not counting large ones on cruise ships), and the only reason you will find one on an aircraft (747 comes to mind) is for space considerations. And while you may argue that space considerations exist on the Nella, the technology level is such that there is a more attractive alternative: the lift.
I'm not objecting to any descision that VOID makes regarding the design, not in any real sense of the word. I'm just putting my opinion out there...
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- Jake
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9/26/2006, 1:38 pm
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The VOID
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quote:
I'm not objecting to any descision that VOID makes regarding the design, not in any real sense of the word. I'm just putting my opinion out there...
Hey, you don't have to justify yourself for having an opinion! I think it was Paul who called me a left-wing liberal (whatever the opposite is... right-wing fascist? I hope not.), so I have no issues with the existence of opinions. And your remarks are not unreasonable. That beeing said, let's get on with the discussion.
1. Stairs are faster. If 5 people have to get down fast, they are much faster using stairs, than using a lift. It also does not look as silly as 5 people going through a turbolift tube one after another. Just like the chamber of a self loading gun is to the ammo, Lifts are artificial choke points to people's movement. Think of the Death Star detention block, where the Stormtroopers stacked on the dead bodies of their buddies while trying to exit those lifts.
My girlfriend lives on the third floor. I can outrun that lift on the stairs quite easily. Sure, it is not a turbolift, but within the current techlevel, that lift and the stairs are equals.
2. Stairs are reliable. Even if power fails, you can still use the stairs. You can't do that with a lift. Sure power is normally not an issue, but on a small ship it can be a matter of survival in case you get really screwed. Power is also an issue whenever ion cannons come along your way. When the Hoth cannon hit that Star Destroyer, all the lights went out and that was a capital warship.
In case pirates disable a ship with ion cannons, it is of utmost importance, that the crew remains able to act, even if "act" only means to retreat on the top deck and wait for the pirates to grab the cargo and leave.
3. Safety: I have seen ladders, spiral staircases and really steeped stairs on boats and yachts. I also happened to spend half my life in a house with a spiral staircase and neither I, nor my parents ever fell. And believe me, I have run up and down that thing thousands of times. In fact, it is much harder to actually fall down a spiral staircase than it is on a normal staircase. You may indeed slip more easily, but you will rarely get injured. And if someone is afraid of stairs, he can just use it as a lift. The lift function is not for droids exclusively.
Be carefull as well when you apply advanced and superadvanced technology to the lift concept just to make it competitive unless you also keep in mind that the same technology can easily be applied to stairs, too! Almost all technological concepts necessary to make a turbolift work in the first place, can turn any staircase into the safest thing in the world. Just imagine the possibilities you have with smart motion sensors and gravity field control. And you probably need less than half the technology and systems that the lift would need!
By the way: You mentioned the ubiquitous useage of lifts in the movies. Actually, there are also lots of stairs in the movies and the ubiquitous useage of deadly chasms tells us that safety is either not that much cared about in Star Wars (uhm... not likely), or (more likely) that hightech safety systems normally keep people from falling to their deaths. Timothy Zahn mentions tractor beam systems to prevent suicides and accidents on high bridges, for example. Sure, the Emperor is a bad counter-example, but we did not exactly see him falling to his death (he might have died falling when the DS blew up) and his evil Sith lightning bolts may have interefered with the safety systems. Or they had not yet been installed, for whatever weird reason that may be likely...
4. Versatility: You can use it as a spiral staircase, you can use it as a lift and you can also use it as a round hole in the floor, which means you can get bulky things like furniture parts onto the upper deck that would not fit into a lift. If you as a captain or as the ship owner think that the stairs are too dangerous, just add a door linked to a call button to the top deck and replace the individual step plates with a solid lift plate. One of the internal layout customer options will be exactly this, so that anyone can decide for himself which system to use.
--- "The sand people are easily startled, but they will soon be back, and in greater numbers." — Obi-Wan Kenobi
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9/26/2006, 3:46 pm
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WardenWolf
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Re: SoroSuub Nella 342 Light Freighter Feedback
Touche'
I still prefer the simple lift platform that can fold up when required and a ladder built into the wall that the lift is attached to. Also, lets not forget: if you lose power, you lose gravity!
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9/26/2006, 4:03 pm
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The VOID
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I am not sure if you really loose gravity when you loose power. I remember some source mentioning "gravity plates" that need to be changed every once in a while. That could indicate that those things work on their own, based on some mumbo-jumbo. Warship design would also have to be very different, if gravity is directly tied to power. Sudden loss of gravity would cause endless problems with the internal designs we have seen on Star Destroyers and those ships have to be designed to take a few ion hits.
--- "The sand people are easily startled, but they will soon be back, and in greater numbers." — Obi-Wan Kenobi
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9/26/2006, 5:26 pm
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