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Witzig
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Re: Nella Series - Regenesis/Degenesis
Nah just 1170 Pixels wide... would still fit on my Screen, but i guess others could get problems...
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3/8/2006, 9:12 am
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FVBonura
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Re: Nella Series - Regenesis/Degenesis
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Uncle Servo wrote:
A situation like this practically screams for Occam's Razor -- in other words, simpler is better.
Listen to this man of wisdom. Anyone who quotes Occam, is a friend of mine. The view is from the top. Tim O'brien was trying to make a mini YT-1300 of sorts.
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3/8/2006, 9:14 am
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FVBonura
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Re: Nella Series - Regenesis/Degenesis
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Lucas P wrote:
is it me, or is this ship small enough for redscale?
No it is not. It is a blue scale ship.
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3/8/2006, 9:15 am
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The VOID
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Re: Nella Series - Regenesis/Degenesis
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Void, I know you're in love with the idea of this being a side view, and I'm not saying that you're an idiot
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Uncle Servo wrote: (or anything resembling an idiot) for thinking that it could be... but think about it for a second.
I thought about it for a few hours more. Like you I don't think I am idiot, or anything resembling one (and I must say I was completely puzzled that the word was brought up, just to deny it). I still see no problems with the silhouette beeing a side view either. Personally I must state that I don't really want to continue the "idiot" part of the discussion. I don't think you're a moron, or anything resembling a moron, nor do I think you are a jerk, but it would not easily come to my mind to tell someone what I don't think him to be, without any reason to do so. This is no attempt to flame you, Servo. Just keep in mind that telling people what you don't think them to be always implies cynism and the exact opposite, because otherwise it would not have to be mentioned. 
Just as a sentiment. I don't really want to pick a quarrel with you.
Back to topic now.
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Uncle Servo wrote: What's the advantage in making this the side view rather than a top view? Look at what would become the bottom of the ship. Where along that bottom line would you put landing gear and/or a cargo ramp/elevator?
The angle doesn't look like a problem to me at all. Rigidly following that logic would mean that the Firespray-class would have to land on the tip of its tail, just because thats what is down during flight. And the firespray is a very extreme example! The whole ship rotates 90 degrees! I am considering merely 23 degrees and even that might not be necessary at all, since a silhouette doesn't even prove that everything you see is the same big part of the ship it seems. The ship could almost be as wide/tall (depending on interpretation) as it is long, without any change to the silhouette. It could just as easily have huge rotating turbines and what everyone thinks to be the cøckpit could as well be the hyperdrive, the main engine, or the hauler arm, with the cøckpit at the exact opposite side of the ship. The silhouette alone does not give a clue to that and since there is no automatic design familiarity with the YT-1300 a direct reference of shapes is vague at best.
So, what would be possible advantages of the silhouette beeing a side view? One obvious advantage would be for example, that the engines face slightly towards the ground when the ship is landed, making it much easier to concentrate propulsion power downwards to take off with heavy load. Not that useless, considereing the small load capacity, which could come from weak engines.
If the "arm" is in fact the bridge, it has exellent view to all sides and the whole bridge construction could house a loading lift that could directly feed into the loading bay.
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Uncle Servo wrote: Also, making this a side view means converting this into a multi-deck design and will certainly complicate things quite a bit.
For me the logical question was just in which way the concept could be developed first and I considered the more unusual way to be much more interesting. If it hadn't worked out, I would haved scrapped the concept and followed other possibilities, but my experience as a 3d artist has tought me that trying unusual shapes better comes first, or it comes never at all, since nobody tries walk the way of pins after he went all the way of needles.
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FVBonura wrote: The view is from the top. Tim O'brien was trying to make a mini YT-1300 of sorts.
If you say so. I don't have any idea what exactly Tim O'brien had in mind, when making the silhouette. Since all new ships on those pages are not more than a silhouette, I don't expect too many background thoughts on sides of the artist. The very use of silhouettes implies a severe timeframe, or a budget problem and the same book shows the silhouette of Prince Xizors Virago and makes it a 100m huge freighter. The TL-1800 is SoroSoob on the silhouette page and Suwantek Systems on the stats page. To be honest, it's very low quality and appears to be stuffed together without much attention to detail, so I have a very fuzzy feeling about depth psychology here.
However, the decision has been made. The silhouette is now by definition a top view. I'm gonna work on with that approach.
--- "The sand people are easily startled, but they will soon be back, and in greater numbers." — Obi-Wan Kenobi
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3/8/2006, 11:07 am
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Kayle Skolaris
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Re: Nella Series - Regenesis/Degenesis
I'm still not convinced of the 'necessity' or 'certainty' of this being a top view.
Frank, unless you have had direct dialogue with Tim O'Brien about his intention, I fail to see how you can be certain he intended to make a 'mini-YT-1300'. I personally hate the idea since it assumes Sorosuub is incapable of originality in ship design. I'd much prefer to leave the off-center ****pits to CEC and other companies we know to be knock-off artists. Yes, that leaves us with the Nyubba's offset ****pit, but that's a definite offset ****pit design rather than a 'maybe'.
I personally am seriously opposed to making this just another off-center ****pit design. It's derivative and done-to-death and ready to be buried and forgotten. Let's think outside the box on this one.
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3/8/2006, 11:17 am
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Witzig
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Re: Nella Series - Regenesis/Degenesis
Why not develop several Design Sketches, if more than necessary are done we can always tell us afterwards we did exploit every possibility, even if 90 Design have to be discarded. And even IF its a Top view, that doesn't have to mean that's it as flat as the YT.
Here a quick Sketch: (click for Larger Size)
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3/8/2006, 11:44 am
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psCargile
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Re: Nella Series - Regenesis/Degenesis
VOID, I'll say this, if you want your version of the Nella on Grand Admiral Frank Bonura's SWDA website, then you should do as he asks.
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3/8/2006, 12:55 pm
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Lucas P
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Re: Nella Series - Regenesis/Degenesis
are we sure this thing has only one deck?
--- Only 2 things are infinite; The Universe, and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein
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3/8/2006, 12:58 pm
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The VOID
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Re: Nella Series - Regenesis/Degenesis
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psCargile wrote:
VOID, I'll say this, if you want your version of the Nella on Grand Admiral Frank Bonura's SWDA website, then you should do as he asks.
I quote myself to prove that I'm already doing so.
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me, myself and the holy I wrote: However, the decision has been made. The silhouette is now by definition a top view. I'm gonna work on with that approach.
--- "The sand people are easily startled, but they will soon be back, and in greater numbers." — Obi-Wan Kenobi
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3/8/2006, 1:36 pm
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