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FVBonura
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Re: KDY Corona transport
Keep playing Grell, we will make a shipwright out of you yet. Keep it simple, but keep trying different combinations. When the answer hits you Grell, you will have made history 
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3/21/2006, 12:51 pm
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Grell
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Re: KDY Corona transport
Thanks Frank. I'll keep playing.
I actually think Witzig's sideview is pretty close, maybe with a top swoop added.
We've got to get the stats posted one of these days, also. I think there has to be room for 8, two crew plus 6 passengers. I think that there are a total of 4 swoops, each swoop contains a 20 ton cargo area and one 2 person cabin, plus technogadgets. ****pit and galley, head, living room is all in the center area. This is my current thought, anyway.
Hopefully others will keep posting, I liked the plans that were posted.
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3/21/2006, 1:13 pm
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Andres Vorstal
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Re: KDY Corona transport
Since I opened this particular can of worms, here is the capsule quoted from Pirates and Privateers:
Craft: Kuat Drive Yards Corona transport
Type: stock light freighter
Scale: Starfighter
Length: 28.4 meters
Skill: Space Transports: Corona transport
Crew: 1 (optional co-pilot)
Crew Skill: Varies widely
Passengers: 6
Cargo Capacity: 80 metric tons
Consumables: 2 months
Cost: 105,000cr (new), 27,000cr (used)
Hyperdrive Multiplier: X2
Hyperdrive Backup: X10
Nav Computer: Yes
Maneuverability: 1D+2
Space: 4
Atmosphere: 280; 800 km/h
Hull: 3D+2
Shields: 1D
Sensors:
Passive: 10/0D
Scan: 25/1D
Search: 40/2D
Focus: 2/3D
Weapons:
Laser Cannon
Fire Arc: Turret
Skill: Starship Gunnery
Space Range: 1-3/12/25
Atmosphere Range: 100-300/1.2/2.5km
Damage: 4D
Capsule: A bad attempt to crack Corellian Engineering's hold on the light freighter market, KDY's Corona Transport is overpriced and underpowered for this market.
Now my thoughts:
Numbers-wise this little beasty doesn't look too bad, but not too great.
Overpriced?... Perhaps, but not greatly so: A Z-10 Seeler costs 86k new, a YT-2400 costs 125k new, and a Z-25 Questor will set you back a whopping 136k vs. the Corona's 105k. Doesn't sound too far off the mark to me, and if used prices are compared (all from the same sourcebook mind you) there is still not a great difference. Less "over-pricing" really...
Underpowered?... Perhaps, but the majority of the ships in this book move at the same space speed of 4. Hell that extra 31,000 credits for the Questor only gets you 1 extra spacial unit per move and an extra 5 tons of cargo. 80 tons of cargo seems to the average for this class (several well-received ships carry less), so the underpowered can't be referring to hauling capability. Hell, even the guns aren't underpowered, since many of the other ships listed are outgunned by its 4D turretted laser cannon. This can't be a serious reference to Hyperdrive rating either since most of the ships in its class are equipped with an identical X2 unit.
The only real deficiency in the stats is the Hull rating, but even that isn't too far below par at 3D+2 and the ship comes standard with a 1D shield projector and heavier guns to compensate, plus decent maneuverability for its class.
For these reasons I must conclude that styling and ergonomics are to blame for this ships failure more than rated capacities and flight performance. Bad marketing could also factor in, but I think this thing was probably just uncomfortable for anyone but an average sized human. I believe that KDY's management was probably human-biased due to their Imperial ties, and designed their products mainly for humans rather than considering the comfort off aliens sized or shaped to non-human measurements.
As far as styling, I don't think this ship's capacity justifies four separate cargo "wings." Don't get me wrong, they're neat, but that's just it. They're too neat for a ship that failed. They're too good of an idea and I think we should save them for something that didn't fail; like the SoroSuub Jermaguim or the Stalwart-class freighter that are also silhouetted in that book.
I feel that this ship should be ugly and reminiscent of an economy car with a poorly grafted on spoiler. I feel that it is being over-engineered into something better than it is supposed to be.
Thus endeth the rant...
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3/21/2006, 8:59 pm
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Kayle Skolaris
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Re: KDY Corona transport
The ZH-25 has a x1 Hyperdrive, which is both expensive and borderline illegal according to Tramp Freighters. Also, it has more cargo capacity on a smaller spaceframe, as well as being faster and more maneuverable. All in all, the ZH-25 is worth its high price tag. The Corona is not.
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3/21/2006, 11:29 pm
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Andres Vorstal
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Re: KDY Corona transport
Other than the Hyperdrive the ZH-25 is only marginally better, and according to many WEG sources the "standard-setting" YT-1300 is only 5,000 credits cheaper (new)and generally not as well equipped. The stock Ghtroc 720 is only 7,500 credits cheaper, and all it has going for it is cargo space. The Corona may be overpriced a bit, but not by a big enough margin to account for its failure just through that excuse. When you're already spending 100k, might as well kick in an extra 5k for a better gun and shield, and more maneuverability. Besides, any smuggler worth his salt could mod that X2 hyperdrive to X1 for less than the price difference between the Corona and the ZH-25 according to "Tramp Freighters."
According to Tramp Freighters it would cost an extra 25% of the ship's original to cost to modify from X2 to X1, in this case 26,250 cr extra, totalling 131,250 cr, still less than a ZH-25. Replacing the X2
unit with a X1 lists as 15,000 cr + installation costs, which would presumably not be more than 10,000 cr or it wouldn't be worth it. Either way it's still cheaper to get a Corona and upgrade the hyperdrive, so the price factor is not enough to make it fail.
The way I see it if I had to choose between a stock Corona or a stock YT-1300 or a stock ZH-25, the ZH-25 has no chance and the YT will probably lose out too, unless I can't fit comfortably in the Corona 'cause it wasn't designed to fit my body comfortably on those 2 month trips. The numbers show us no overwhelming reason for this ship to fail, so we must look elsewhere, or at least not give it agood reason to succeed.
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3/22/2006, 12:00 am
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Kayle Skolaris
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Re: KDY Corona transport
I honestly can't argue with your logic. A lot of designs that 'failed' don't suck enough to warrant being called inferior to more successful designs. I NEVER liked the YT-1300 and find it annoying that WEG saw fit to make it the bees knees in all their fluff text but nothing special stat-wise.
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3/22/2006, 12:15 am
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Boghwa
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 Re: KDY Corona transport
First of all "Hello to everybody"
I am cruising this board and the Deckplan Alliance page regulary and just can say that you guays are great and i big help. but i never though about posting something.
when i stumbled over the KYD Corona thread yesterday i could not remove it from my head. and at the evening i got an idea. i used my lunchbreak, downloaded the free trial version of Sketchup3D and did some drawing. as you can see below i am no artist of all, but i hope you can follow my idea. this transporter is from the designer of the ISD , so i thought, how would those people design a small freighter. the result is quite unusal, but this design failed (maybe for no reason at all)
the 2 round shapes what other called some kind of engine are part of the shield projectors. it has a sphere like cargo hold which can be rotated for easier access in different situation. i also thought (but could not draw) the cargo hold has an access tube like the Nybba class and is compatible with extra cargo container. for this the access tube is rotated to the front and the protection shield is lifted to the top (see on the pic). there are definitly some design-failure. the cargo hold can not be accessed during flight. the extra wings (left and right,which i just drawn one) have been necessary for stabilisation.
http://www-nw.uni-regensburg.de/~.sat26241.zoologie.biologie.uni-regensburg.de/idea.gif
hope the picture is not too bad, but i am no artist at all
Keep up this great work guys
Last edited by Boghwa, 3/22/2006, 6:54 am
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3/22/2006, 6:47 am
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Lucas P
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Re: KDY Corona transport
welcome to the forum Boghwa,
that is an interesting take on the silhouette. I like it. the only thing is that I would not necessarily agree that the forward part would be really spherical.
If it is a drawing by the guy who designed the ISD, then I would suggest more angular shapes for that forward component.
I really like the bridge section idea aft of the cargo section though, it really fits with the KDY design philosophy...however, I might consider using only one sensor globe rather than two and extend out the engine nozzles to fit the silhouette.
Nice work, I hope you lend your ideas more often, you clearly have good ones.
Designing deckplans from a single black silhouette is quite possibly the hardest thing to do. especially if there are no other images of the ship.
thank ytou again,
Lucas
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3/22/2006, 7:09 am
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Grell
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Re: KDY Corona transport
The Corona virus is spreading and bringing in new members! Excellent. I like the design, but I think I have to agree with Lucas about the sphere.
There's been a lot of talk about KDY ships here, but I don't think we've mentioned that the escort frigate is also a KDY ship.
http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/escortfrigate/?id=eu
Last edited by Grell, 3/22/2006, 8:44 am
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3/22/2006, 8:34 am
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Kayle Skolaris
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Re: KDY Corona transport
Hey Frank, we gettin' outside the box enough for ya?
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3/22/2006, 10:19 am
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