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To say that this board will be controversial is an understatement as it goes against almost everything society presently believes to be true about emotions, feelings, life and love. But then why wouldn't it be controversial if the desire and goal is the opposite of what is presently being experienced! To empower yourself, you need to be open to challenge everything you believe to be true, especially about love, life, emotions and feelings and also be willing to end your denials of self.

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This thread had been copied and edited for length and I've combined several posts under one post for ease of reading. I've also activated all the links in the original thread so that you can also have direct access to them. The original posts can be found on Spiritual Awareness >Community >
mentally, spiritually.... wore out!!

I was involved in the discussions on this thread and I feel that it offers many aspects of love essence in denial, but with a closed mind and heart. It also presents a look at how evil thinks and works. Althouh Lisa closed the discussion, the thread and posts remain on the board for all to read.

I've also posted another thread that I was very involved with a short time after this thread closed. While this post is similar in many ways... is also very different and has the opposite outcome. This thread offers many aspects of love essence in denial, but with and open mind and heart, where denials end and the healing process begins. This is the link to ]Jannokas journey

John aka shenreed
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***************************** And so we begin the journey *****************************
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MissLisa62 (7/27/06 7:45 am)
Emotionally, mentally, spiritually.... wore out!!

Years ago when I first started this path... I remember a once good friend telling me "be careful what you ask for"... I think we all can take those words for granted in so many ways. Also not realize what we are setting up for ourselves with our desires.
Since I started recieving the very first glimpses of the true spiritual world that exists... all I ever wanted to do was share that information... the amazement of it all.. with everyone who was interested in it. For almost 6 years... that has been the soul focus of my life... but now I am forced to stand back and look at what I have created for myself thru it all.

I think for the first time in all these years I realized how alone I have created my life. Everything I do, I do on my own... the up keep of my websites, the draining attempt at the magazine (which energetically, there isn't enough of me to put into at this moment), the deluge of people seeking my services (which I am so incredibly grateful for), but when I go to my email... sometimes I just want to run away. I have opened a physical office here in VA... which even in that, emotionally I don't have much to put into it.

As I take a hard close look at what I have created for myself... I am not really liking what I see. I have put all of my eggs into my spiritual basket... and have completely ignored my physical basket... which is now empty and depleted... at least for the moment.

The month of July has been a really hard month for me... and as it thankfully comes to a close... I find myself in the midst of decision here... what is it that I want to do from here. Honestly... I don't know. Part of me, the emotionally exhausted part... just wants to close everything down, and just take an ordinary job that has set hours and steady pay (smile).... and where everything is not going out to "maintain" what I have created. And maybe find a physical friend or two to hang out with. A friend who doesn't know I can see things or know things... just someone to maybe drink a beer with and talk about girl things! But then again... this is the life I have created for myself... and I do take full responsibilty for that... I have put myself "out there" for anyone in need... and have done nothing to create anything for my needs at all.

Anywayz, I am really just trying to release some really tough emotions I have welling up within me... I know I am at my own major cross roads in life... never an easy place to be because the choices must come oneself.

Thank you as always, for allowing me to share.
With love and honor to all,
Lisa

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shenreed (7/30/06 8:26 am)
Re: Emotionally, mentally, spiritually.... wore out!!


Hi Lisa, my sister, my friend.

I feel your torment and I have to say that while you or others may disagree, I am happy that you are at this point, this cross road in your life. Self-sacrifice isn't self- love and before you can give to others, you must possess it, and to do that, you have to give it to yourself. To know what love is, you also have to know what love isn't and you are slowing becoming aware of the latter. Sacrificing yourself in the name of love for others, or things, is no different, and just as unloving as sacrificing a part of yourself so that another part of you (your Mind) gets to do what it wants.

You said, " Part of me, the emotionally exhausted part... just wants to close everything down, and just take an ordinary job that has set hours and steady pay (smile)..." Emotions are feelings, so it is not your emotions that are having thoughts, ideas and making decisions, it is your mind, and it is also your Mind that is exhausted, exhausted from trying to create a world onto itself. By that I mean, a world without REAL Heart (unconditional love) and without Soul, the vital intuitive and emotional, feeling aspect of your self. It is your mind, your Spirit that is exhausted and also your body, that it has used to try to create what it desires. Your Body is also exhausted as it's also storing all the denied emotions that your Mind has no acceptance for.

What your Mind is becoming aware of now and beginning to feel, is just how empty and alone he is, sitting high on his lofty throne, looking over his kingdom that he built with such spiritual righteousness, that now feels so empty and he is asking himself, "and I did all this all for what? The irony is, that even he doesn't like the world he has created. Why? That's because it was built in the OLD WORLD, the world of conditional love and denial, where either nothing really feels right or if it does, then it doesn't last.

It's time for your Mind to do some real Soul searching. If you can, rent the movie "What dreams may come" with Robin Williams. If you've seen it, see it again and also "feel" it.... in a DIFFERENT light.

Reed
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P.S. <<< POSTING >>>
There's a problem with posting to EZ board. When I'm not logged in, I can see and read the posts, but I can't post as I get an error message. When I log in, everything is gone except one topic and it doesn't open. What I ended up doing was to not log in and to navigate to this post. Then I clicked on your name in the "started by" column. From there I entered my user name and password and made my post... BTW, this is not just happening with this board as it's also happening with mine.. I feel it has something to do with the new Yuku account.
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MissLisa62 (8/1/06 6:29 am)
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Hi Reed,

Sometimes when we become emotionally and spiritually drained... there is so much more going on than knowing what love is or isn't. I think I am pretty clear on this...

I know I struggle with balance... the physical world and the spiritual world and maintaining harmoney within myself with both aspects of life.

I was reading for a client about a week or so ago who I swear I was actually reading for myself... brought a lot of things to the surface for me to deal with personally thru her reading.

I realized that as we are going thru our own healing issues... we also become vulnerable energy wise. During this same time period, a day I beleive... someone wrote to me asking about black magic and wanting me to work thru spells that were cast on her.. I decline the appointment because it didn't feel good to me.

That is when my entire world started to collapse. I am going to post about this experience in full in a seperate post...

Yesterday.... as I was in an intense healing session with my beloved Judy to release this force that entered my space... I thought about your post... and brought your thoughts into my heart....

When I am with clients or friends and talking about spirit or helping someone find the spirit within... I do not feel sacrificed at all... I feel like I am within my true spiritual being doing what I was created to do in this moment. But it is also time in my world, and in the universes desire, to bring what I do to the physical plane with actual interaction with people. And that... is what I am preparing to do... as I change and evolve yet again...

Once a long time ago someone whom I loved told me "growing wings hurts"... I never realized that our "wings" continually shed and renew themselves.... ahhhh the lessons of the ever evolving path of a spiritual being.

I love ya Reed and am so happy you reached in to give me a hug and something to think about. Thank you so much for always being here...

Ohh by the way, I had seen the movie some time ago What Dreams May Come.... I didn't really care for it, I really dont know why... Now the movie Bruce Almighty... that rocks my world.

Big big ((((HUGZ)))) to you and thank you!!
With love and honor,
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Hi Lisa,

Part of knowing what love is and isn't, is also facing what you dislike, fear and are in terror of. Hand in hand with knowing what love is, you also have to know what love isn't, otherwise, how can you tell the difference? A child molester speaks softly, praises and gives candy to a small girl. Is he a loving person because he speaks softly, praises and gives candy, or is he just presenting the image of a nice guy to get what he wants, which is her to follow him? If she hadn't been taught (programmed) what love is, she would have followed her intuition and that would have been the end of it. Avoidance and denial will not keep you safe, just ignorant and afraid and in evils grip. Where there is love there is no fear. Evil can't hurt you once you are aware of how and why it works.

Evil will not make it's presence know to you unless you are (1) either seeking it or (2) you are moving yourself out of its control. As long as evil has you in its control it doesn't waste its energy trying to get you to do its bidding because you're already doing it. I wouldn't go so far to say that I welcome the presence of evil around me but from my experiences, I know that when it is, I am even more grounded and determined in doing and feeling what I was because that means I'm going somewhere or doing something that it doesn't me to. I'm a treat and it's afraid of me or it wouldn't be here.

When I say that evil has you under it's control, I don't mean that there is some demon sitting on your back, that's not it. You serve Lucifer and evil when you are in denial and that includes denial of any part of yourself. If you deny your intuition, your emotions or your body, you are not coming from a place of love, but a place of un-lovingness... evil. While you are not an evil person, by denial, you become a "doer of evil" and in that there is no difference. We blindly follow Lucifer believing that denial is love, being nice, turning the other cheek or whatever other imprint, program and belief we have that says that is action is love. Lucifer has you under his control because denial is what feeds and empowers him and his following.


I read your blog Conscious Living Now [sign in to see URL]
or the first part of it, and there are three things (1,2,3) that stuck out to me, that I would like to comment on.

"Wednesday, July 26, 2006
Finding Inner Peace within Chaos"

(1) the Blessed Mother come to me. Since the details of this exchange are elsewhere on this site and in my book, I will simply touch on the importance of what she asked me to do, "lay down ALL your beliefs so you can be filled with the truth of spirit".

(2) I wanted so much to please her... this huge icon that was here in my meditation helping me....

The Blessed Mother is NOT and icon (an image) she is the Soul the female aspect of God, who is Spirit. What she said to you is truth, but it is not the Mother that would lift that from you, not now. However, it is something that the IMAGE of the Mother would do. Evil disguises itself in many ways and unless we are open to feel, and express our feelings, we are blind to it's presence and its hidden agenda and just like the little girl, we are lead astray. While you may not have meant to say Icon, it is what you wrote and it's important to grasp the significance of that.

Imprints, programs and beliefs and so deeply ingrained in us that removing them is impossible, They have to be gone into to enable us to (A) know what they are because how can you heal something that you don't know. and (B) While they can't be changed per say, they can be let go of and replaced with a new belief, but only YOU can do that becasue they are YOUR's.

To give you an idea of how hard it is to remove and imprint, program or belief, let me give you a physical example. Let go of your ability to read, write and talk. and while you at it, let go of your ability to walk and move. These are imprints and programs and are just as valid and real as what we have stuffed invisibly inside our heads and bodies from times even before our [sign in to see URL] very DNA is encoded with these imprints of what love is, but isn't.

You also mentioned a meditation that I really like and found significant.

(3) I would have a female face, profile view float in from my right side and a male profile face come into view from the left side... they would float inward at the same time, meet in the middle, kiss... I would watch a heart float up from the kiss then the images disappeared"

To me it mean that finally our male Spirit side would evolve and express his (Yin) feminine side and that our female side would express to her (Yang) male side and when that happened, Heart or Unconditional LOVE would be born.

Well I've really gone on a lot here, time to stop..

Reed
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MissLisa62 (8/1/06 9:21 am)
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Hi Reed,

You and I see things very differently... which is actually good. Many people need different insight to their path.

I do not beleive in a Lucifer or 'evil" as it relates to Lucifer. I do beleive that you can put into action energy that is not life enhancing... and manipulative.

The "icon" I speak of is in the catholic church and she is indeed an icon...

I would also dissagree that she is the soul of the female god. God, as I have learned God to be.. is already male and female and all existant and expressive thru all energies.... She is simply a highly evolved soul that was incarnated and put on a pedistole (sp?) as many are. We are all our own unique expression of God/ the Creator each with our own particle to offer each other whether incarndeted or not.

The experiences I have shared thru that post... were experiences and perceptions in my moments of recieving them... and like life... we evolve from there ourward (at least we should)... it doesn't change how I felt in that moment or how I seen things in that moment... which become integrated on higher levels as we move forward but does not change the moment of the experience from our feeling centers of understanding.

What did come to me yesterday in this emmense download... is that Light and Dark are equal. One not better than the other... both very important in this incarnation process of earth.

I had always thought (up until yesterday) that Light is stronger than Darkness (I beleive which is what you refer to as evil)... it is simply the other side of expression.... both are needed at this time to learn from... and that, plain and simple, is what we are here on earth to [sign in to see URL] and evolve.... in our individual and collective soul ways.

With great honor and love to you Reed
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Hi Lisa,

Yes, we appear to be at opposite ends of the spectrum as far as evil is concerned and that's OK. I'm not going to try to convince you that Lucifer and evil exist as that is something that you are going to have to experience and find out for yourself. As long as those are your beliefs, you are limited to remain inside the box of your beliefs. Denying the truth, doesn't change the truth, just your perception of it. There is nothing more to say for now.

Take care.
Reed
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MissLisa62 (8/1/06 10:07 am)
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Ahh but Reed, I know you know we all have our own interpritation of what the truth is... as it is needed in our path and on our soul journey.

You and I have two very different journies... and therefore require two different interpretiations of the "truth" to move us forward on our path.

I am not denying my truth, just yours as it is needed witin my path.

Even in this exchange, helps to prepare me for my own footsteps forward... in dealing with peoples perception of beleifs.. a subject just talked about with a friend/client this morning.

We are all here to move each other forward... love ya Reed for always being here and being who you are!!
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MissLisa62 (8/1/06 10:22 am)
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My dear Reed

Some years ago as I was gathering understanding of various things that exist (especially within the beleif systems of many)... one of those things was about the energy many refer to as Lucifer.

What was shared with me... for my understanding within my own path... and I want to share with you...

We live in a plane of duality... by intended creation. That means there was no war in heaven, no spirit wanted to take over any kingoms... but those of us who were creating this place we call earth... created the intentional roles of light and dark... good and evil. This dualistic life was needed and beleive it or not... desired for our own soul evolution.

Something was needed to hold the opposite end of the spectrum together... the opposite of light or love/good... and that was fear/evil. A spirit/angel/being... highly evolved and every so loving agreed to come down thru the deminsions of space and time... and be the very thing that holds the duality together... and we refer to that energy as Lucifer who has gotten a really bad rap thru time... which he knew he would... it is not about what we think of him... but the lessons we are able to learn thru what he holds for us... and that is the doorway of polarity to exist in this life... for our soul evolution.

So I will retract slightly in saying I don't beleive in him... I just don't beleive in him as you do.

(((((HUGZ)))))
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shenreed (8/1/06 11:49 am)
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Hi Lisa,

What I share is from personal experience and not hear-say or what someone has told me to be the truth. Even though knowledge appears to come from one that is so-called enlightened or a voice of authority (like the Catholic Church) it doesn't matter what is said, because if there is no direct personal experience associated with it, from the person that is expressing it, then what is it? What value does it have? What purpose does it serve? How has it helped me? How has this idea enriched and changed my life? Do I walk in the truth of this belief or do I just spout it as rhetoric to have somehing to say and feel powerful.

Without experience, it's simply a theory, speculation, an idea, and when repeated, it becomes Rhetorical hear-say. Political Rhetoric, Religious Rhetoric or New Age Rhetoric, they may all have different words and meanings, but the common link is Rhetoric, sounds good but has no substance.

Talk to me about your personal experiences, not what others have written. I can read for myself if I so choose.

Stop defending your beliefs! Instead, challenge them, dissect them, open them up to scrutiny. If they are the truth, then what harm is done, the truth is the truth. If they are not the truth, then they are exposed for what they are. Would love want to hide the truth?

Peace
Reed
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domino4321 (8/1/06 1:27 pm)
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WOW!!!
Hi Lisa and Reed,
[sign in to see URL] amazing discussion and one that is needed for each of us (I am including myself as reading your posts has drawn such emotion for myself that I must be included in ) on our own journey. Yet our own journey is not sooooo seperated. Lisa, I must tell you that you have grown more then you think you have. I am always amazed at your work and the great effect you have had on others. It is a gift that has been given to you. You have made an impact on my life and I thank you. I haven't spoken to you in a while yet I come back here and there to feel your loving topics.

You hit a snag, big deal! It is amazing how the ego will kick us when we are down. Lisa, you of all people know that you are not alone. When we have these emotions they must be confronted and disected to their true nature. Maybe you are just overwhelmed and need to step back. Our guilty ego would have us believe that we are unworthy of our position as it likes to find any weak spot it can. I hope you are with me......... and give up our quest. These thoughts only have the power that you give them. They are wrong and your authentic self knows this. OOPS!? Thats the answer I have for that. We are perfect, we just forget that. Make sure you are taking the time to re-energize yourself, and don't feel guilty, this is your journey.

With Much Love to You, Friend and teacher,
Denise
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MissLisa62 (8/2/06 6:05 am)
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Dear Reed,

You have become defensive and that is not my desire for you or this discussion.

I am not quite sure what exactly you are talking about when you refer to sharing my own personal expeirences and not what someone else has written... I feel tho you are talking about my account on Lucifer. However, that was my personal experience... I will share more of it with you... please don't feel I am asking you to beleive anything, that is not my desire, I am simply sharing "my" experience and the understanding that was given to me by God.

When I was in Idaho I did a series of meditations centered around the "true" beginning of all of life. I went directly to the Source and asked God to help me understand how all of life came to be... and he showed me in ways I have very few words to discribe... it was amazing and clear to me. Thru this series of meditations is where the information I set forth here came about Lucifer and the polarity that exists here in this plane.

I am not defending my beleifs, but expressing "my" truths. The that was given to me for my understanding of the journey "I" have in this lifetime. And I will never challange the information and sight I was given in those meditations...

With much love and honor to you Reed,
Lisa

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MissLisa62 (8/2/06 6:13 am)
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Hi there our lovely Domino

Thank you for joining and sharing in this discussion! It is always wonderful to feel your expression upon this forum. I want to also thank you for your kind words towards me, it is very deeply appreciated. And know, the feeling is mutual!!

I have made sure to take lots of time for me... and get back to nature this week... and out of this house!! Amazing how energizing life is when you are surrounded by trees and birds and water... and life that is just pure and loving and supporting. God knows I was allowing myself to be depleted, and it was not so much a physical friend that I needed but that reconnection to the purity and joy of life itself.

I have tho, taken an outside job to care for a lady who is paralysed from the waist down. I am really excited to go out and do this change in my work. I think the physical work will be an added boost to my day... and she let me give her a hug when I finished with my interview.... yay!!

With a song in my heart and a skip in my step....
Lots of love to you
Lisa

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shenreed (8/2/06 7:27 am)
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Hi Lisa,

A few posts back you said,

>>>>"Some years ago as I was gathering understanding of various things that exist (especially within the beleif systems of many)... one of those things was about the energy many refer to as Lucifer.

What was shared with me... for my understanding within my own path... and I want to share with you..."<<<<

By your post, I assumed that you were doing research and that meant reading what others have said on various topics. What you went on to describe was nothing that I hadn't read before. A few years ago I was gathering info on Lucifer and his followers and I came across two websites that basically said what you said. I had them book-marked and I was going to get the links for you but they are gone. I also noticed that all but one of the Luciferian or related sites that I had book-marked are no longer on the net or have changed sites. I even did a search and found nothing, but I never looked that long.

Anyway, that doesn't really matter. Yes, I see and especially "feel" things differently than you, than most people. This threat has taken a twist and it now appears that you are no longer dis-satified with your life and your world. That being the case, I now leave you to your happy and contented self.
Take care.

Reed
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MissLisa62 (8/2/06 7:38 am)
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Hi again Reed,

When I search for truth, or do research on various beleifs I go to the Source itself. To me, it is the only clear truth of existance.

I have never researched anything about Lucifer outside of meditation. The only thing I really research on the internet or any other place... are prophacies that come to others.. to see them in comparisson to what has come to me. Other than that, all I have learned... I have learned thru meditation and connecting with God and those who serve God in the higher realms.

It is ok that you see things differently than I do. That doesn't make either one of us more right or more wrong than the other. It is simply what we need for our own individual path... and the paths that will interchange with others as we go... and how we will best serve others and ourselves as we all move forward.

It's all good... and all God!! Lots of love to you Reed and I do thank you so very much for this exchange... you have helped me more than you probably realize!!

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MethuselahX (8/3/06 7:15 am)
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Good-Morning MissLisa

If I May Add My Two Cents . Pleasezzzzzz .
Remember When We First Spoke In The Chat Room Yes ?
And I Said You Had An ( OverStandIng ) Of Many Things Yes ?

There A Big Diffrent Between And OverStandIng And UnderStandIng .

Those Who Only UnderStand . Will Not Allow Themselves To OverStand Things As They Real-ly Are . Meaning They Are Lock In A Zone .

Also Remember Some People Are Not On You Level Of Spiritual Knowldge .. And Are Still Into Spook-ism

TakeCare And BeSafe

domino4321 (8/3/06 8:48 pm)
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If your beliefs are held on Solid Ground, there is no need to protect them, for, you know,they need not any protection.
If however, you feel the need to protect, then your understanding may be off course and needs to be attended to.
We know that the answers are not from without but from with"in". Looking out is off course. To look at others and even feel the slightest uneasiness shows a lack of unconditional love, which is the ultimate goal for "ALL". We must do this together for we are one. We are all where we are at and if we trully get it, we would not have the need to project ourselves here or protect it. We are no more or less for what we believe. The truth is the truth and never faulters. We "are" unconditional love, we don't "become it".Anything that causes chaos is of the ego and is not unconditional love, thats where the ego messed up, it cannot control chaos. We are all perfect as we were created, we just fell asleep and forgot to wake up..............
With Much Love to Each of You,
Denise

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MethuselahX (8/4/06 8:09 am)
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Belief & Believe" are two of the most deceptive words in religion. Belief is ignorance. Belief is to ignore the facts, intentionally or ignorantly.

If one has to believe, it means he or she does not know, and if one does not know, that is ignorance. Anyone can believe anything and this means that a person can believe, and be 100% wrong.

But knowledge is knowing and knowledge is correct information. "To know" gives one confidence, but belief infers doubt.

To believe is to accept things that you do NOT know. Either you know or you don't. Once you know - then you no longer have to believe and belief is the fuel of most religions.

Belief = acceptance of things that you don’t know
Knowledge = correct information which is always logical and reasons out.
Knowledge can be checked out by one or more of three test:

1) Experience
2) Evidence
3) Reason

One can not always use the "experience" test, because the experience test is not practical for all knowledge. The evidence & reason test are those test which are more often practical.
Believe = Be - Lie - Eve = To Lie To Eve Children


shenreed (8/4/06 10:12 am)
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I couldn't resist coming back to make a comment.

Knowledge (words) aren't power, or the truth, it's merely learning what other people have said or written. What you're basically saying about knowledge is that if you have read or heard something and numb and dumber (a couple of the trailer park boys) who are standing beside you agree with you, then you're knowledge is right. Dah! You also throw in the word "knowing" as if remembering your knowledge was knowing and understanding based on personal experience. (Oh [sign in to see URL] have overstanding)

You may have knowledge of what a bike is and of what other people have said about their experiences when riding a bike. You may have even touched it and examined it, but unless you have personally ridden it and experienced the feeling of movement, of balancing, of steering and all the other sensations that one experiences, you KNOW chip dip about what it's like to ride a bike.

The whole purpose of physical existence is to experience reality, yet you claim that experience isn't necessary to know the truth of reality. Give me a break!! With that BS you can make any claim and not have to prove it. You can't walk you talk and you're idea of truth and it undeniable proof it is that you have a hundred yahoos agreeing with you. Well Chicken Little, carry on with your mouthy posts reciting other peoples words and rhetoric. There are a lot of people out there that don't know the difference between sheep @#%$ and chip dip and I'm sure that they'll buy what you are selling...

Have a nice day
Reed

MethuselahX (8/4/06 2:19 pm)
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Did I Hit A Nerve < Laughing > Being That You Have A Small Mind With That Big Ego . I New You Would Get The Wrong OverStandIng . Most Fake Do . And You Suppose To Be A Spiritual Person Right . Its A Smell Of Weakness In The Air And Its Call < shenreed > . The Fake Ones Get Up-Set Easily .

MissLisa62 (8/4/06 2:29 pm)
Re: Emotionally, mentally, spiritually.... wore out!!


Hey you two beautiful men ,

Please please be kind to each other... and share with respect not only to each other... but those who are reading this forum as well. Your words to each other hurt me very much.

It is ok to disagree... but disagree with love and kindness in your words and hearts!!

Thank you
Love ya's both!!
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MissLisa62 (8/4/06 2:58 pm)
My two very precious men!


My precious Reed and MethuselahX ,

I cannot tell you both how much I love and honor the two of you. You are both very different in your views, and your approach to sharing... and that is what makes both of you so incredibly special upon this forum.

The both of you add so much to this forum... for me and for all the others who come here to read and/or share. We aren't about being right or wrong... but sharing, and the allowance of sharing and the allowance of different views.

When one tears down the other tho... that is heartbreaking. I know that we are also human and can fall towards our human tendancies too. But think about how someone who came here to learn... to feel... may feel with this (or any) exchange.

You both have very wonderful and caring hearts, I know that down into my soul. Perhaps a hug to each other and allow the water to flow under the bridge... and post with reverance to each other and disagree within your views from the voice of your spirits.
With so much love and honor to you both wrapped in ((((HUGZ)))),

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MethuselahX (8/4/06 5:57 pm)
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To MissLisa I'm Sorry Will You Forgive ?
It Wont Happen Again .


MissLisa62 (8/4/06 6:27 pm)
Re: My two very precious men!


My dear MethuselahX,

You are always forgiven in all-ways!!

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domino4321 (8/4/06 8:12 pm)
Re: My two very precious men!


I speak only from experience and a continual quest to achieve my ultimate goal, with the help of the Holy Spirit to benefit not only myself but for all who cross my path. I have no need to argue with anyone for I stand on Solid Ground "knowing" that I don't need to understand everything right now, I have "greatness" who "knows it ALL" on my side if I choose to let it. There is no chaos in my beliefs. Only the chaos that I choose to create which is the opposite of what I want. I have never been more happy or content then I am right now because I know I am never alone. There is greatness amung us. Inside each of us. And each day. the light gets brighter and brighter. I love each of you, trully. But I stand above the battle ground for it not of a Loving God.

With More Love then you can Imagine,
Denise

shenreed (8/4/06 9:29 pm)
Being Real


Hi Lisa,

I was not offended by what MethuselahX said in his reply to my post. He obviously was activated and so he expressed himself. Big deal! I know who and what I am, and anyone stating differently doesn't change that and my opinion of anothers point of view, doesn't negate or change that persons being either. By expressing my opinion, (disagreeing in this case) I was challenging, and questioning the validity of his statements, opinions and beliefs. If he were truly aware of who he was and knew that his statements were his personal truth, then what I said wouldn't have mattered to him either.

As far as you being bothered, heartbroken and not liking conflict, that's your issue. As far as anyone else reading these posts and being offended, that's your judgment and assumption. Whose to say that this very dialogue isn't what another person needs to read. If you want to set up rules and conditions for everyone posting on this site, that's your choice. If you want to censor my posts or ban me, that's also your choice, (I've been banned before) I am who I am and I will not change back to being a so-called "nice" guy for the sake of others, at the expense of myself and my being real.

Reed
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MissLisa62 (8/5/06 7:31 am)
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Hi Reed,

I am so surprised to see you take this position. That you really don't care about how others may be affected by the way you choose to exchange with certain people.

I think disagreeing is vital to everyone's growth process. If everyone had the same view, there would be nothing to reach higher for... or wonder about. I personally love a good debate... to discuss a topic with two points of view, because it is always a learning event for all involved.

But when that diverse view starts to feel less than empowering, where you would purposely choose to tear someone else down in any way... that is not what will empower. To take a way a person shares and belittle it, or make fun of it... serves no higher purpose at all.

To say you don't really care how any one else feels about what you say or how you say it... devalues anything you may say in the future or have said in the past (at least to me).

I was not concerned whether you or MethuselahX was offended with each other... I was offended! The way you hoose to express yourself towards him, matters to me. If I was offended then others can be offended. I know you both, I know you are both better and more loving than being cruel to each other.

I want people to know they can come here, post their opposing views here... and we will open a debate that is loving and not attacking, not hurtful... but enriching on all levels.

Life in every way... has rules and conditions set out where there is a public coming and going... so too does this forum. I do have rules of I do not think they are unreasonable, but the way I feel God would want us to exchange with each other. Lovingly. Without slandor or cruelity.

I have known you for 6 years Reed... that is a very long time. I have defended you, because I seen the true loving being within yuor heart... from being banned from the spiritual forum we met at. I would not ban you at all... but perhaps... it is time to change. To evolve to the spiritual being I know you are.. and share from that space within you.

I have changed over the 6 years.. I have changed on many levels of Being and Understanding and even Overstanding... and I dare to disagree with peoples view as it relates to my own... but always with respect and kindness for what anyone else chooses to beleive or hold close as their truth. This is all I ask of you my dear friend!!

With love, honor, and ((((HUGZ)))),
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shenreed (8/5/06 8:56 am)
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Hi Lisa,

What makes you think that your post to me is any different that my post to MethuselahX.

I disagreed with him
You disagree with me

You say that I'm unloving to not consider another's feelings.
Opps.. does that make you also unloving?

Or don't you think I have feelings that can be hurt by your "kind" [sign in to see URL] me what to do and how to do it. Just because you try to say things nicely, that doesn't automatically make them loving...

"Food for thought"
Reed

P.S. And no, you didn't hurt my feelings by disagreeing with me, or by the way you tried to get me to think and be like you, yet somehow have a different opinion.
Edited by: shenreed at: 8/5/06 9:37 am

MissLisa62 (8/5/06 10:29 am)
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Hi Reed,

I have said what my heart needed to say.. and will end this discussion particular discussion on my end.

I do love ya Reed ,
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domino4321 (8/6/06 8:39 am)
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Hi Shenreed,
I understand your position . It doesn't matter if I agree with it or not it is your point of view. (I am saying this with utmost respect and love) The one thing you may want to reconsider or toy with the thought, that we DO have an effect on eachother. Your energy effects mine and vice versa. This is a BIG BIG BIG area in our thinking that keeps us where we are, Seperated from our ultimate place(so to speak) Hey, I can't deny that I don't do it. To say I am only human would be an excuse so don't go there.(Or try not to). There are times when I get myself so worked up ( I say myself because those emotions are about me and no one else - a WHOLE other subject) about something that I want to fly off the handle. But I realize more and more that I am only hurting myself. You are a part of me (like it or not ) We are energy, not stick figured, that is totally connected. If you deny me you are denying yourself. There really isn't any need to become uneasy with someone elses thoughts, because they are just a thought. Instead, accept these thoughts ( because they are yours) unconditionally, love them away. Man how the ego works. A little tricky bugger. I am learnig to embrace these thoughts that make me uneasy and send loving energy to it. I ask the Holy Spirit to guide my thoughts to the right way. This helps.

I love your posts. I think you have the gift to help alot of people. Please don't let THIS topic or discussion be the cause to leave this forum.

Until the next UNEASY topic, my Friends (heheehehe),

With Much Love to All,
Denise
If you start to think the problem is ‘out there,’ stop yourself. That thought is the problem."-- Stephen Covey
Edited by: domino4321 at: 8/6/06 8:55 am

shenreed (8/6/06 11:44 am)
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I was going to send Lisa the following as a private message but when I saw Denise's post, I figured, why not here, and lets see where the ?#%&% flies.

*********************************************************************
Hi Lisa,

Just an brief personal appendix on this topic. I can post it if you like as I am not saying anything I wouldn't repeat in public, but as you closed this topic, I'm doing it this way.

I had no problem with our discussion and our difference, or with Denise's post because I felt that both of your energies were loving, in denial, but still loving. It was when MethuselahX first posted that I felt an unloving jab at me and although it was denied in words, it was felt.

Now you don't know this, but I have read some of his posts on your board and on other boards (where he shows more of his true colour and character) and I know who and what he is, and like you yourself said, we are different. I denied responding to his first post, as evil and the denial of evil, was part of our discussion and we have different views and experiences.

With his second post, I felt his smug dig at me again, I could deny no longer. I responded with words and in a feeling tone that left no doubt that I wouldn't take his %@&*. That hit a nerve, because he came raging back at me, as only evil knows how to. The words he used were from Lucifer's Manual 101, as I've heard and seen them many times. First the laughter, then the same broken sentences and misspelled words, references to ego, being a spiritual person, or (holier than thou, I get a lot) a fake, and even the reference to smell, (as he knows that evil has a specific smells and that I can smell it as well as feel it.) The only think he blatantly missed was writing his post in all in CAPITAL letters.

I have no desire to get into any dialogue with MethuselahX. That post to him was it as far as I'm concerned and he got my message, loud and clear. Your trying to act as peace maker, brought this thread to where it presently is.

***********************************************************************

Hi Denise,

As noted above, the reason I decided to post the above and this reply to you was your post to me on not leaving this board. Yes I agree that we are all connected and that my energy affects another as does their energy affect me, BUT.. there's more to it....

While both you and Lisa try to either deny that evil exists, love evil or try to change it, one thing that both of you and others fail to realize, is that it is energy of the opposite polarity. The words polarity and duality have been used in confusing context, so I will stick with polarity for now.

Trying to love evil is like connecting two car batteries the wrong way.*****Sparks fly**** When we (of the love polarity) see sparks fly, our first reaction is to try to Run (avoid or deny) Fight, or Give up. We do this on a sub-conscious imprinted level that we also falsely believe is the true and loving response, but in reality it is only a knee jerk reaction to the imprint of feeling attacked by something that is unloving and the opposite of ourselves *** the sparks. **** We don't want to get hurt so we try to do anything to make this energy our friend and not to have sparks flying or CONFLICT....

We can't connect to this energy and live because we are not of the same polarity. But we can connect to it (by choice) through our denials. When we are in denial, we choose to reverse our polarity and that makes our energy, the opposite of what we are. While we are not evil, by denial, we become the "doers of evil." By our denials, we are also draining our battery and killing ourselves, but the opposite polarity "evil" doesn't care, because it can only live on our denials. When we UN-PLUG ourselves, end denials, and get out of the box of our old imprints, programs and beliefs, we become free of the grip of evil as we no longer feed it our energy.

Problem is, the only way that you can tell if something is of love or not is by how it feels, and if you are already in denial of evil and of expressing your intuition, feelings and emotions, then you are cut off and in the dark and are only going on what evil is telling your mind, is the truth.

I use this analogy a lot. Imagine there a hundred men in front of you (women if you are a man reading this) They are in all shapes and sizes, and ages and they will all, one by one, come up to you and say "I love you". Now only one person in the hundred truly loves you... How are you going to tell who that is? Are you going to rely on their physical appearance, their actions as they say it, the sound of their voice, or are you going to close your eyes and feel with your heart. Love is not something that you learn, as in religion or knowledge, it is something that you you feel, and you can only feel it if you're real. The same holds true for what is unloving.

"Food for thought"
Reed
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domino4321 (8/6/06 1:29 pm)
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Thank you , Shenreed, for replying and also for sharing your points of view. Your last post is a great example for anyone, beginning their journey, to begin to understand how others with different points of view learn to accept ( I am not saying that we need to surround ourselves with others that we totally disagree with, that would be like swimming with sharks)
eachother for where we are at. Your analogy explains how you feel. My analogy is slightly different and it helps ME on a daily basis.
Imagine you and a friend are walking down the street. I ask each of you to look for something completely different. I ask you to see blue. I ask your friend to see purple. At the end of the street you will both describe totally different points of view, depending on what you are looking for. Instead of looking for what I want to see, I need to go to the one who knows (and it sure isn't me!!) who can teach me (or remind me of what I forgot)

This helps me tremendously to understand where people are. You get what you are looking for. To forgive others for what they think is our way of helping ourselves and the others to heal. That is unconditional love. I for one would not like to surround myself within this kind of negativity, but we are helping them and again ourselves from the bondage we have imprisoned ourselves to.
You speak of feeling it with your heart and knowing. Just for the heck of it, trully ask your true authentic self( and not the ego), if there really is "anything other than the greatness of God" and if so what is it, really? I would love to hear your response to that question.

You are genuine and I feel your passion to know more and to help others. This topic will help others more than you know.

With Sincerity and Much Love to you,
Denise
I had to edit my post as it wasn't coming off the way I wanted it to. Sorry.
Edited by: domino4321 at: 8/6/06 2:08 pm

shenreed (8/6/06 2:38 pm)
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Hi Denise,

To answer your question, my authentic self, (higher Self) and my Ego are one and the same. Only denial creates the illusion of separation and that one is disconnected from the other or that one is better than the other. If you were not connected to your higher self, you wouldn't be alive in the physical.... When denial ends, love is born, and with each loving step, I am more aware and conscious of myself in many ways.

While it is true that some Spiritual beings have never experienced the physical, those that have, have done so by choice. I am bringing Heaven to Earth, and am not of the mind set of those who desire to leave Earth to go to what is deemed a higher place in the Spiritual realm. We didn't come into this physical reality just to get out of it, because if that's the truth, what's the point of leaving the Spiritual realm in the first place? And if that was also a truth, then why wait, end your useless suffering, physical life and go to your happy land, stop your bitching... walk your talk, if that is really what you believe.

WHY, if God is LOVE.... and unconditional love at that.... would he choose to hurt us.. That's impossible and to believe that is ..... I'm speechless ..... to even think that one could combine the two (love and hurt) as one and the same. That's not the Love, or the God I personally know. Oh! I just went back and re-read your post.......

"You speak of feeling it with your heart and knowing. Just for the heck of it, truly ask your true authentic self( and not the ego), if there really is anything other than the greatness of God that can hurt us. I would love to hear your response to that question."

You didn't say LOVE when you mentioned God, you said "greatness".. and there's a BIG difference in that statement. Humm? Question is...... why didn't you mention Love and God? Why does God want to punish you if he loves you? To teach you a lesson?" Yea, now you're talking King of negativity....

"Food for thought"
Reed
"Healing begins in the Heart"

domino4321 (8/6/06 3:02 pm)
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I thought that would come off wrong and when I edited the post I still didn't explain what I meant to say correctly. (Darn)
I will admit, it sounded like I think God (Love) would harm us. But really , that wasn't what I meant. I meant how can anything harm us when we are created by greatness and perfection. The perfection can not be altered. And Gods perfection would never create anything but love, so how can it be real? Unless that is what we choose to see.....
I hope that explains it a little better.

shenreed (8/6/06 6:42 pm)
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Hi Denise,

I hate to seem like I'm picking on you but I'm glad that you're saying what you are. To begin to expand our consciousness, we need to become aware of our words to find what lies hidden in denial by what is not being said or omitted. You said,"I meant how can anything harm us when we are created by greatness and perfection." Again, you left out the word love, and used greatness and perfection instead. Seems to me that the absence of LOVE is a common theme, and indicates that love and it understanding, is missing in your concept of life. I'm not going to go into details, just bringing it to your awareness... again.

This whole perfection thing is a twisted absence of any real thought and I'm not going to go into that, as that's another topic.

I have no problem answering your questions, but you make no reply or rebuttal to what I've said. Lets pick a topic, an issue and lets get into it. I'm not interested in answering questions that for all I know are being wasted on blind eyes and deaf ears.
Reed
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domino4321 (8/6/06 9:57 pm)
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Hi Shenreed,
I want to thank you for being a part of yet another lesson for me. Words have never been my strength for me through my journey and that is ok, it doesn't change who I am. This exchange has trully helped me more then you know. I accept me for who I think I am as well as for you. This exchange causes much thought provocation for me in a way that you just don't understand. I still love your posts and your passion to become. Thanks again.

With Love to You,
Denise
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MissLisa62 (8/7/06 5:33 am)
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Hi Reed,

It seems you were the topic of my dream state last evening... I can't remember the details of the dream... but I can remember exactly what I was remembering when I woke up.

I want to share this memory with you... because the dream was remembering the way you and I met... and how even in those days, you had me reach deep inside of myself and take a stand (simply thru your posts and other's view about you)...

I was a moderator on that forum and highly respected... well respected as long as my views was in line with everyone elses (first lesson you gifted to me)....

Everyone was sure YOU were evil. That you were a bad spirit because of the way you experssed yourself. We would hold monderator meetings to talk about your posts, your expression of yourself... the defensive and sometimes harsh way your words hurt other people (and whether you are willing to accept that or not, you still do it yet today).

I went into meditation several times, because I thought... maybe there was something I wasn't getting with you... because not once EVER did I feel evil from you. I never seen your expression as something other than you beleived with all your being... your expression could be a bit harsh, but that is not evil at all... that is simply the way you choose to make a point.

In those days Reed, you helped me so much to really reach for what I felt was true with you... and with the whole evil calling by others. 6 years later, you continue to serve as that expression of lesson for me.... the same lesson tho.

I choose to close the subject on my end because I don't want this thread to become a spitting match... and it was turning into just that.

But as I came here and read your posts yesterday... and the way you shared your difference of opinion as to what Denise was trying to say in her posts.. you did it with much more kindness than you did with MethuselahX. That is all I ever ask of anyone... disagree with kindness.

Now with you feeling MethuselahX being smug with you... perhaps he is here to teach you a lesson directly. Perhaps the mirror that he reflects that bothers you so much... is your chance to see what it is about him that bothers you so much. Anytime someone evokes stronge emotions within us... is something within ourselves being revealed that we on a personal and private level need to look at within ourselves.

You want to call him evil... the very same thing the spiritual forum did to you... we both know you are not evil, even if people didn't understand your posts or became affraid of them. The only time we see "evil" is when we become affraid of something within that mirror.

I became de-moterated for insisting you were of the light and not evil at all... and for telling the owner of the forum that we all have something to learn from you... the fear they had of you eventually moved over to poor Annie in attack once they banned you from the forum.

I personally love MethuselahX very much, and find his posts contents (just like I do yours) enriching and thought provoking. He tends to rattle the very bones we are made of in regards to that story book called the Bible.

If we don't deal with those mirrors that are presented to us for our own soul growth... the mirrors get bigger and louder as we move along.

Just something to think about...
With love and honor to all,
Lisa
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MissLisa62 (8/7/06 5:55 am)
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Hi Reed,

I wanted to approach this topic in a seperate post to you. In regards to your statement
Quote “ my authentic self, (higher Self) and my Ego are one and the same. Only denial creates the illusion of separation “

Actually you contradicted yourself a little at the end of the post you ask Denise to ask her higher self (and not her ego)... that question alone would show the two energies not being one and the same.... but two very different aspects of the human make up. But I decided to write the below post anywayz..

To a degree I will agree with you. Everything on the face of this earth... and beyond are all made of the same thing... there is no seperation of energy for it is all one energy having different experiences within the earth realm (and for this posts sake, I am only talking about existance on earth).

An apple and a cucumber are really made of the same thing.. the same loving energy that breathed life into all things... yet their purpose is very different... and the essence of what each of them are changes as their life cycle passes. They will either become life enhancing nurishment for a human, animal or bird... or they will decompose and become fertilizer for the earth.

To say our soul energy (Higher self) and our ego are the same... is like comparing the two very different energies (altho created by the same source) of the apple and the cucumber.... as welll as the vine or tree they grow upon.

The higher self is that aspect of us that is consistantly in direct communication with what I refer to as God or the Source of all life. There is no ego in any way shape or form that lives within the energy of the higher self.

Now the human body... that is the fruit of our existance. The physical projection of our life experince... made up (if allowed by the ego) of our soul energy/mind and the ego itself.

The ego is a very different energy... yes created by the same Source, but has a very different role in our human creation. It is a thing (an energy all of its own, not connected with the Higher Self, as an apple is not the same as a cucumber in anyway).... a thing that was designed to protect the human body and soul in the earth experince.

The ego knows only fear... it is a fear dweller... the source of all evil that exists upon earth. The ego's origenal role in our individual and collective life was to bring the fear factor to us when needed thru life. Our soul only knows love and joy, we as a spirit don't even need to eat, or watch out for oncoming traffic or animal instincts....

So the ego had to be created for the bodies protection. Over time, ego became the way we choose to live our physical lives... in fear. Fear itself (at least this is what I have been taught by spirit) is the only existance of what we call evil. When an ego becomes fearful it will go to great extents to try and rid what is being feared... wars and killings are all fear based. As well as any heated argument (that is not kind in expression)... even something as seemingly small as not meeting new people because we may fear they will dislike us or not understand us. Fear as many many levels and degrees and are part of our human experience.

So with that said... within every person on earth... dwells both love and fear (evil)... and it is our choice, our free will choice... on where we shall live and express ourselves.

God lives within both expressions... since he is us in all moments of time... anything we experinece our creator experiences... our Creator evolves every time one of us evolves... and hurts every time we hurt or anytime we choose to hurt another.

But there was a sacred agreement in this evolution of earth life... the non-interferance of free will. And everything that is done by an individual... is the free will actions of those individuals.... good, bad or otherwise.

Ultimately we are completely responisble for who we are and how we choose to project ourselves in life... and what we choose to learn and not learn along the way. Anytime we want to blame something on an outside force and call it "evil" we are simply looking away from the mirror that is being shown to us. I beleive you would call that denial.

With so much honor and love to all,
Namaste,
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Being Real - 4 - Shenreed


shenreed (8/7/06 10:11 am)
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Hi Lisa,

Thanks for sharing your experiences and ideas. Yes, I remember those days and yes, these past few days also brought up those memories and I wondered why this was seemingly happening again. This time I had the feeling that I might be banned, but I had no fear that drove me to choose my words with so-called niceness and kindness to try to get "him" or "them" to understand what I said and why. I forget the name of the person that I challenged six years ago, but he was of the same "opposite" polarity energy as MethuselahX. Back then, while I was aware of evil, I was still ignorant as to how to deal with it. I have since grown in experience and knowing, and I could, and will write a book on the kingdom of Evil.

Like I said earlier, I felt attacked by him as I felt attacked six years ago. Six years ago I tried to lower myself to his level (in denial) to try to reason with him, to get him to understand what I was saying. This time I knew better, and I responded accordingly, not with denial, but with (self love). That experience, six years ago prepared me for dealing with evil, first in a group, then with friends, family and intimate relationships and within me.. Next to dealing with your own inner evil, the hardest issues to deal with are with the people that are closest to you. That's why "Spirit" had me start with unknown people in an group and work my way backwards. Now a similar experience has come come around again, and this time it played out differently, Why? Because I was real. or realer that I was six years ago.

I have an issue with groups, that of being different, of being known to the public and of being a leader, and having power. (Past life stuff that is being presented in this physical life to heal) The mirror this experience has reflected to me, has shown me, is that.............. (I paused here as I began to feel emotions of love with in... I included this, as it's part and parcel of being real. What I felt is in the paragraph below) ((( )))

((((I don't have to fight, run, give up, give in or compromise, I just have to surrender to love and be that, that I am. This experience will be the beginning of yet another journey taking me into the public eye and having to deal with people like MethuselahX in the physical, in a public setting, before the eyes of others.... While that's a fear, I also know that with what I have experienced before and now here, that I will have no problems, "if" I am real. The real test will come when that this fear becomes a reality. I also know that behind that door of fear, lies parts of me that I have cut off from the rest of myself... (past lives and present) that I rejected. Fear of using power wrongly, fear of greatness, fear of leading others, etc. In reality, all these fears are my denied lost power, gifts, talents and essence that, as I reclaim, become a part of me again and my Ego/HigherSelf )))))

MethuselahX is not better or worse than me, he is what he is. I know what he is and how he works, and when I was attacked, (unloving energy) I responded to being attacked and it wasn't a mirror image I was addressing. I don't "consciously" with awareness, let anyone attack or abuse me in a physical sense, no matter how sweet or sugar coated the poison pill is, so why should I do any different on an energy level. I'm not trying to change, control or attack him, BUT I will not be attacked and deny that I'm being attacked as that will give him control and power over me and will change me back to the way I was (in denial) and a "doer of evil" believing that I am a Mr "Nice Guy" but all the while hating myself.

What I shared with Denise came from the same place in my Heart as what I shared with MethuselahX, the only difference is that I wasn't being attacked by Denise's energy. I could feel her confusion and even her fear of asking me, but there was no unloving jab at me. The reason I asked Denise to ask her higher self was to get her out of her present Altered Ego state, to enable her to get another point of view other than what she has been told and believes to be the truth.

I can write a book on what we have come to call Ego and the bad rap it's taken. Our Ego is what identifies us from another, We may all be cucumbers in a patch but I am different from all the rest, not only my body, but also by my Ego. If we were all the same ego or rather... ego-less-ness, there would only be one cucumber in the field and so what is to be experienced if there is no difference and only one collective consciousness and EGO. Besides Ego being a part of and connected to our so-called higher self, Ego is also the collage of our total experiences and it is those experiences, both loving and not loving that affect our ego and ALTER it. Not only is our Ego altered by outside forces, but it's also affected by how we treat ourselves during and after these experiences.

Now the question is, why is being different, and having differences a problem if it's not the Ego that's at fault? It's not the Ego itself, but the fact that the Ego has become altered, and it is this ALTERED EGO that becomes the "doer of evil" and creates harm, when it is either controlled by an outside unloving force or by an unloving force within us.

How does the Ego become altered? It becomes altered by our imprints programs and beliefs. We are taught and conditioned to believe and act in a certain way that is acceptable. If we try to think or act outside the box, society and/or our Inner Critic are there, along with guilt and shame to try to stop any movement or change.

So now another question is, what this unloving force within us that is trying to stop us? We have within us, what is termed our INNER CRITIC. It will use whatever means and tactics that work to control us, mainly our fears. It may threaten, interrogate, play at being aloft, pout, or it may say soft and sweet words of praise, while silently telling us what we should and shouldn't do. This is the role of what we call the inner Critic and it is of unloving (reversed polarity) energy. Now the question is, If we are of love, then why is this unloving thing within us, controlling us? How it it get there? Who is controlling it? How do I get rid of it?

There are those (reversed polarity) Unloving Essence "others" out there that don't have a problem with their "Inner Critic" as their Inner Critic is actually their Higher Self. They see and know who is of love essence and who isn't. These spiritual vampires, disguised as Humans, are living off of loving essence that is in denial. We are their food.. not physical... but ENERGY. When challenged, they will play the denial game, because denial is their nature, their essence. To make matters confusing, Loving Essence (in denial) acts and does the same thing as unloving essence. The big difference is that when loving essence is challenged, it will have a different "feel" as there is love within, that knows the truth, and that is something that you don't "feel" with Unloving Essence.

I'll leave it there for now and let you do your own thinking, feeling and questioning here.

Fear is another topic that is misunderstood. I did a post on it on this board under (Fear is What?) if you are interested.

Reed
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Edited by: shenreed at: 8/8/06 10:08 am


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MethuselahX (8/7/06 12:28 pm)
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Good Morning ( MissLisa ) Wishing You A Bless And Spiritual Day As Always . And I Must Say I Agree With You Again . And If I May Add Some Thing Yes . It Doesn't Take A Rocket Scientist To See / Know A Spiritual Being Overstand .

One Can Tell A Spiritual Being By Their Action For They Are ALWAYS In Control Of Self , Nor Do They Play On Words To Get Attention To Feed Ones Ego . Nor Do They Have Prove Themselves . A Spiritual Being Is Guide By The Most High Yes.

Nor Will You Ever Hear A Spiritual Being Curseing . A Spiritual Being Words Doesn't Sound Like Some Snake Oil Sales-Person Trying To Win You Confidence . Nor Will They Feel As If Their Being Attack Because One Doesn't Agree With Them , Reading A Few Books Doesn't Make One A Spiritual Being , It Is A Gift From The Most High OverStand .

shenreed Has Admiited That He Has A Ego . Hummmmmm Is He Saysing The Most High Chose People With Ego . To Teach Spiritual Things ??? He Also Feel He As The Right To Judge Me . Hummmmmm I Through The Most High Was The Judge Hummmmm. He Also Says He Was Banned From A Spiritual Form Hummmmmmmm How Does One Get Banned From A Spiritual Forum . Was It His Ego .. He Say He Has ???


Here My OverStandIng Of The Ego . Now Some Will Agree And Some Will Dis-Agree . But It's NoBigThing . Un-Like Most People I Know Very Few People See Things The Same Way .

( For Those Who Have A OverStandIng Of Things I Am Not Here To Convert Nor To Recruit ANYONE HERE To My Way Of Thinking / Accepting Things OverStand ) ..

( Man's / Ego )

OverStandIng the Ego ... Know ye that , this is one of the hardest attributes to destroy , This is the attribute that is carried out mostly ny the evil reptilian one , the serpent Genesis 3 ; 1 , And I Quote ; Now the serpent was more subtle than any other wild creature that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God say, 'You shall not eat of any tree of the garden'?"

John 8 ; 44 , And I Quote ; 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

The Noble Koran Chapter 114 , And I Quote ; 1. Say: I seek refuge with the Lord and Cherisher of Mankind, 2. The King (or Ruler) of Mankind, 3. The Allah (for judge) of Mankind,- 4. From the mischief of the Whisperer (of Evil), who withdraws (after his whisper),- 5. (The same) who whispers into the hearts of Mankind,- 6. Among Jinns and among men.

Also known as the Dragon , Zuen , Lucifer , Isaiah 14 ; 12 , And I Quote ; 12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!

Or the Devil Revelation 12 ; 9 , And I Quote ; . And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world--he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

The Son of Shakar and Mylitta , the fallen angel '' Nephilim Genesis 6 ; 1 - 6 , And I Quote ; 1 When men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair; and they took to wife such of them as they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My spirit shall not abide in man for ever, for he is flesh, but his days shall be a hundred and twenty years." 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown. 5 The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.

Reject him and his attributes , and let him , his children , and his seed Genesis 3 ; 15 , And I Quote ; 15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."

Not into your hearts , For he and his seed would only lead you througt the doors of misery ,

He was but a baby in the hands of life , Yet he did the Disagreeableness of an old being , Haylal , made all who listened his meal . His time is numbered by your deeds , Reject him and he will return to NoThingNess , Geed him , and as a star he will grow , And as a growing star , he will constume all those that are on his path . O seed of Kadmon , only by your faith are your saved . ( O you who are faithful stay on the right path and you will indeed return unto The Most High A'yun A'yun El . you will dwell forever in Heaven Garden . In it are Agreeable Anunnaqi to befriend you as one of them , For after your death you will again be of the hosts , the the Anunnaqi , Beneath you wilt be rivers of pure water , and A vessel of honey A vessel of milk , And a vessel of wine . Drink of the honey for healing Drink of the pure milk for strength and . Drink of the pure wine for spiritual growth , Allof this is yours if you keep your faith . For The Most High is All Knowing All Wise .

One can learn how to burn out the Ego . The Ego Is The Self-Arrogating Aspect Of The Mind It Is The Ego That Separates The Indidual From Unity With Others And Within Him Or Herself , For The Ego Asserts '' I -NESS , ''

The Ego is the greatest obstacle to obtaining peace , for it is that which occupies the mind with whether we are better or worse , Possess more or less , And have greater or lesser power than others ,

The Ego Is Attended By Desire , Pride , Anger , Delusion , Greed , Jealousy , Lust , Hatred , Racism , And Leadership , The 3 Principles Are In Genesis 3 ; 6 , And I Quote ;

1 , Good '' Goods ''
2 , Pleasant '' Pleasures ''
3 , Desire '' Desirous ''

The Ego is the most difficult aspect of the mind to control like Shame Genesis 2 ; 25 , And I Quote ;

Shame Has No Boundaries ,

For its nature is such that it deludes even while one is striving to Over-Come It ,

When The Ego Is Subdued Energies Can Then Be Untilized Constructively For Personal Growth And The Service Of Others . Mind Your Mind For The Jewels Of Your Soul .


  utter utter utter

Edited by: MethuselahX at: 8/7/06 12:33 pm



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