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Re: OPINIONS ON LXG - Post 'em Here ** SPOILERS **
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I didn't think Allan was bad. I liked him. He just wasn't developed enough. I still say there should've been 15-20 mins more of character development.
Allan was cool though. I liked all of the members.
1) They're both old
2) They're both in Africa
The only resemblances between Allan Quatermain of H. Rider Haggard and Alan Moore, and the one played by Sean Connery. They ruined the character. I didn't feel like they did that with any of the others, but here... 
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Re: OPINIONS ON LXG - Post 'em Here ** SPOILERS **
I didn't say they were similar, I said that HIS character wasn't bad. Again, this isn't the original League, or the original characters. They altered them all in some way, Allan more so than others. I thought the character Sean played, while not the Allan we all know and love, was good.
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Go see LXG....I mean the League.....NO! The LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN on July 20th, 2003. (Pretty sure thats the day, but correct me if I'm wrong).
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Well, I drove the hundred miles to the nearest big city today to see the movie. With time, gas and the ticket price times four (I took the whole family) I had more then a little invested in the venture. I went in with the understanding that this movie was in no way close to the comic book. Keeping that in mind, I took my seat. The fact that it did NOT follow the comic is only a small factor of what disappointed me about the movie. My main gripe with this film is the butchering of the characterizations from the original literary sources.
1) Jekyll/Hyde - The movie portrayed an almost sibling style antagonism between the two and towards the end of the movie they almost appear to warm up to each other in a manner. Nothing could be further from the truth in both the literary novel and the comic book. Jekyll and Hyde both loathe each other in the extreme.
2) Nemo - The characterization was weak, he allowed himself to be relegated to the role of chaueffer far to often. In both the book and the comic, Nemo has very strong opinions on certain subjects and has no qualms about voicing them. This Nemo was too quick to take a step back and allow the others to lead.
3) Mina - Leather clad boostier, vampire fangs, drinks blood. Enough said!
4) The Invisible Man - Came the closest to the original character, who wasn't the original character at all. Skinner seemed far more excepting of his invisibility than Griffin did, but if Skinner keeps his nether regions exposed to the cold for much longer he may end up being as insane as the original Griffin.
5) Tom Sawyer - Let's do the math here people. Tom Sawyer was a pre-teen prior to the civil war. At the turn of the century that would put him at about fifty years of age. If this guy would have tacked a junior on to the end of his name I could have swallowed that easier.
6) Dorian Grey - I will have to excuse myself from this one as I have never read the book and have no real knowledge of the character.
7) M/Fantom/James A. Moriarty - Too young and too stupid to possibly be Moriarty. He's barely outdone by the great detective, but an old elephant hunter who is probably amazed at the technology of simple indoor plumbing bests him? As much as I love the character of Allen Quartermain from both H. Ryder Haggard's books and the comic, Allen wouldn't stand a chance against Moriarty due to the man's intellect, planning and the fact that Allen was completely out of his element in this movie.
 Allen Quartermain - I've saved the worst for last. The part that Sean Connery played in this film is the same part I've seen him play in his last several films. The only thing accurate about this character were the clothes he was wearing and the big-arse gun he was toting. Haggard's Qaurtermain was not the bar room brawler that was depicted in the movie. The literary Quartermain, when pinned down by automatic weapons (if such things had existed back then *sigh*) would have been crawling on his hands and knees towards the back door. Not because he was a coward, but because the bad guys had automatic weapons and he didn't. The literary Quartermain will reluctantly take a leadership role if and when it turns out he is the only man for the job. But upon joining up with the likes of a superior intellect like Nemo, he would have checked the genius score card and without animosity or reluctance taken the back seat. The literary Quartermain was quite spiritual and chivalrous, there wasn't a drop of that in the movie.
Another thing that bothered me about this movie was the characters' interactions with eachother. There are just way too many examples to cite them all, but here are a few.
1) When Mina eats her snack in front of the boys, nobody loses it and freaks out, or screams or anything. I don't know about you, but watching the undead feed is more unsettling then Skinner's floating grease-paint.
2) It really bothered me how they all seemed to just click and accept each other. Hyde never got angry at the other members once he had accepted their offer. The type of being the Hyde is, he should have been a lot more touchy and apt to violence then the movie portrayed. Hyde should have been a lot more self serving than he was in the movie. I don't see this Hyde saying that he had to scrape a few kids off the bottom of his boot.
Being one of the many fans who is disappointed that the movie strayed so far from the comic book and having recently re-read the graphic novel, I have formed an opinion as to why it was done. With the exception of the action sequences, the dialogue of the comic book would have played out like an episode of PBS's Masterpiece Theater. For those of you across the pond who may not be familiar with Masterpiece Theater, it is a show on public broadcasting here in the U.S. that depicts many of the classic novels in movie form such a ****ens, Bronte, Allcott, etc... Mainstream movie going audiences would not have been pleased with this kind of character interaction and development in between the fight scenes and special effects sequences. The Victorean flavored dialogue and setting of the comic would not have the appeal in the theater that it seems to have for fans of this comic.
When all is over and done with, the things I don't like about this movie can be chalked up to "Well, that's Hollywood!". That's it for my rant.
mx3
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Re: OPINIONS ON LXG - Post 'em Here ** SPOILERS **
Lurker here- I just saw the movie and I figured I'd get this off my chest. I'll shamelessly steal the idea of going character by character.
Qua(r)termain: Bored me. Nothing like the comic, nothing like the source material, and too ****y for his own good. The whole son/Sawyer thing and his death might have been poignant if I cared at all about the character at all. And the resurrection was really tacky and didn't work as an ending at all--the movie's supposed to be about the League, not just Quatermain.
Mina: Well, not quite as bad as I expected. I didn't like her acting during the vampiric scenes, but I liked it otherwise (especially the look on her face upon hearing the recording). I really would've liked to see more vulnerability, though.
Nemo: My favorite character, and I thought he came off pretty well. Unfortunately, practically every time the character is used, the writers tend to make him either too civilized or too brutal. The comic, I think, leaned on the side of too brutal, and the movie leaned towards too civilized. And I don't get the whole marital arts thing, either. Or why the Nautilus had to be so *big*. But anyway, I liked Shah; his physical presence wasn't quite imposing enough, but I liked his acting and I thought his voice fit the character especially well. EDIT: I just remembered what really bothered me: his line about "living in the now". Excuse me? His whole life is based on taking revenge for the slaughter of his family. I would call that living in the past...
Jekyll/Hyde: Jekyll came off really well, in my opinion. Again, doesn't fit the part physically, but played the fear and anguish well. Hyde, on the other hand, didn't work for me--I kinda missed the part where he's, um, evil. However, I also really liked his reaction to the record and the conversations between the two characters.
Skinner: I love him!! I take him as a completely different character as Griffin--basically, Griffin if he didn't go psychotic. I found him really funny, especially his calling the League "my freaky little darlings".  I would've preffered seeing Griffin, but Skinner was definitely my favorite of the new characters.
Sawyer: Ehn. Not as annoying as he was in the novelization, thank God, but still boring. I would've preferred Huck Finn. Also, I don't agree with the characterization--with his little game with Jim in "Huckleberry Finn", I don't see him as so wide-eyed and innocent.
Dorian: Not too bad. Never read the source novel, so I don't know about the characterization, but he seemed appropriately slimy to me.
M/Moriarty/Fantom: First of all, I'd like to say that I hate Fantom with the passion of a thousand firey burning suns. He's boring, derivative, and I really hate his accent. Second of all, I would have loved the inclusion of Moriarty if a) he acted like Moriarty and b) his plan made the slightest bit of sense. In the comic, the double-crossing worked because he was playing them against Fu Manchu. In the movie, he's playing them against, uh, himself. *Why*? Why couldn't he just get the samples he needed and then kill them? Isn't there some easier way besides specifically forming the League to battle himself?! And also, Roxburgh was too young for the role, but I thought he was hot, so I forgive him. (What, I'm not allowed to be shallow sometimes?  )
All in all, it was a pretty bad movie and an abominable adaptation, but I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. It's a lot better than the novelization, luckily. The novelization was horrible except for a few throwaway lines/scenes that got cut (flashback to Reichenbach Falls, some cute Skinner lines, Campion Bond). And one last thing that annoyed me about the movie--why does *everyone* have to want Mina?!
-Jackie
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Re: OPINIONS ON LXG - Post 'em Here ** SPOILERS **
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Well, I drove the hundred miles to the nearest big city today to see the movie.
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Now that is dedication.
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It wasn't too bad while we were there we had the horses re-shoed, purchased a few sacks of flour and wheat, and my wife bought the material for that dress she wanted. 
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G'night Mary lou.
You don't have a buck toothed son named Jim Bob by any chance do you?
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His name is Bubba, and he has a slight overbite, if you must know.
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W' done like sterayngers roun theeese prts
Teach him to play the banjo and he'll grow up to be a fine, decent young man.
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Teach him to play the banjo and he'll grow up to be a fine, decent young man.
I bet,you're glad you live over here in jolly old England Batty. Mind you saying that,they can be a bit "funny in some parts of the West Country remembering Straw Dogs and all. 
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