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Is anyone out there reading Supreme Power? Any thoughts on this title? I have glanced at it a couple times, but haven't committed yet, wondering if I should.
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   Probably best to wait for the TB.
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I'm reading it and enjoying it. It's sort of a politically-correct 'Supreme Squadron Year One' series. I was a big fan of Mark Gruenwald's (I think he created them) original S.S. in the Marvel Universe and I'm finding Straczynski's (sp?) take pretty interesting, though I can't see where it's headed anywhere unusual. He has made the characters darker and given them some contemporary slants, but it's basically the JLA retold in a more 'Marvel realistic' setting. I enjoy these riffs on the original pantheon a lot, so I also read the 'Big Bang' series.

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Gruenwald wrote the maxiseries in the 80s where they really developed.
Actually it was Roy Thomas who created them
(along with the Squadron Sinister, another JLA riff). Doesn't the first issue of Supreme Power include a reprint of the 60s Avengers story where this happened?
I also don't see this current mini going anywhere particularly new. Unless something happens (REAL soon) it's about to be cut from my monthly buying list.
A fellow Big Bang reader? Cool.
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Gruenwald wrote the maxiseries in the 80s where they really developed.
Actually it was Roy Thomas who created them
(along with the Squadron Sinister, another JLA riff).



...you know too much! OK.. so, if Squadron Supreme was (according to some sources) 'a rip-off of the JLA'... why didn't Marvel get sued..? emoticon

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They ARE a JLA homage (maybe ripoff is too strong a word). Roy Thomas has always said so (though I notice the first issue of Supreme Power doesn't mention this when they're talking about the days when the Squadron was created) . It's somewhat obvious, isn't it? The Superman character, the Batman character, the Wonder Woman, the Flash and the Green Lantern, and Aquaman
Back then, I can only ASSUME they didn't get sued because the Squadron only made one (or two) appearances throughout the 60s and 70s. Even when they had their maxi it didn't really sell too well (That's why they're reprinting it now. Not only because of Supreme Power, but because nobody bought it back then). USUALLY they only sue you when you're making money like bandits out of your little homage/ripoffs.
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They ARE a JLA homage (maybe ripoff is too strong a word). Roy Thomas has always said so (though I notice the first issue of Supreme Power doesn't mention this when they're talking about the days when the Squadron was created) . It's somewhat obvious, isn't it? The Superman character, the Batman character, the Wonder Woman, the Flash and the Green Lantern, and Aquaman



..I'll take your word for that. emoticon Can't recall having seen it personally..

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Back then, I can only ASSUME they didn't get sued because the Squadron only made one (or two) appearances throughout the 60s and 70s. Even when they had their maxi it didn't really sell too well (That's why they're reprinting it now. Not only because of Supreme Power, but because nobody bought it back then). USUALLY they only sue you when you're making money like bandits out of your little homage/ripoffs.



...makes sense! emoticon

[Like a boardgame that was in the papers this morning.. 'Ghettopoly', buy a Drug Den! "Get your friends hooked on speed, collect $50 from every player"... emoticon They're getting sued, apparantly.. emoticon]

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The Squadron Supreme was a hommage by Roy Thomas, kobe's quite right. Gruenwald, however, (according to the notes in the SS mini-series collection), was a frustrated would-be writer of the JLA, and he took the opportunity to push the familar panthon characters in a Marvel-style direction rather than the then-rather-staid DC direction. Seems like this series is attempting the same thing, but it's not exactly making it exciting reading so far.
Didn't Staczynski's other comic series have the same sort of subject matter, (and aren't both series actually similar to a British mini-series that I vaguely recall from the 80's about 'created Government superheroes' set in the near future)?

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You mean New Statesmen?
(John Smith and Jim Baikie, with the occasional assist from Sean Philips and Duncan Fegredo)
Governments fiddling around genetic engineering to create the ultimate weapon (the dreaded Optimen)
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New Statesmen! That's the one. I picked up a couple of issues when I was on a trip to the UK and never found a collected series, but I recall (is this right?) the characters being 'sponsored' by their home states for super powers and then taking the name of their home town or home state as their code name: 'Brooklyn', 'Texas', etc...
It seemed very much a product of its time,
i.e. Thatcher England, with government conspiracies, secret agendas and imperialism run rampant. I'd love to get the whole series to see where it all ended up...(apocalyptically, one assumes).

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